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When is a climate model 'good enough?'
Phys.org ^ | September 10, 2025 | by Saima May Sidik

Posted on 09/13/2025 8:09:56 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Global climate models are software behemoths, often containing more than a million lines of code.

Inevitably, such complex models will contain mistakes, or "bugs." But because model outputs are widely used to inform climate policy, it's important that they generate trustworthy results.

Ulrike Proske and Lieke Melsen set out to understand how climate modelers think about, identify, and address bugs. They interviewed 11 scientists and scientific programmers from the Max-Planck-Institut für Meteorologie who work on the ICON climate model for their study published in Earth's Future.

When new code is developed for ICON, it's screened and tested to catch bugs before being integrated into the model itself, the interviewees said. After code is integrated, however, such testing usually stops.

The code is assumed to be bug free until the model behaves weirdly or a programmer serendipitously discovers a bug while examining the code for other reasons. Even when the model crashes, it's not necessarily a sign that a bug needs to be fixed, because researchers are always making trade-offs between the speed and the stability of the model, and sometimes they simply push the model outside the bounds of what it can handle given those constraints.

Tracking down bugs and fixing them can be time-consuming, so even if the team suspects the presence of a bug, they sometimes estimate its impact to be minor enough that it doesn't warrant correction. When the researchers do decide to fix a bug, many view the process as an extension of climate science: They generate hypotheses about how the bug might cause the model to behave, then test those hypotheses to discern the exact nature of the bug and how to address it.

The best way to avoid bugs is to test code thoroughly before it's integrated into the full model, many interviewees said. Tools exist to facilitate testing, such as Buildbot and the GitLab development platform, and the scientists said such tools could be leveraged more fully in ICON's development process. However, they also said there are inherent limits to how thoroughly researchers can test climate models because researchers don't always know what a 100% accurate model output would look like. Thus, they do not have that basis to which they can compare actual model output.

Though the interviewees acknowledged that ICON is imperfect, they also considered it to be "good enough" to forecast weather or to answer research questions such as how increased atmospheric carbon will affect global temperatures. The authors write that although "the principle of 'good enoughness'" is pragmatic and understandable, it could also lead to misunderstandings if users don't appreciate a model's limits.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; goodenough; hoax; idealtemperature; models; propaganda; socialism
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
when they follow trusted, time proven Scientific Method. Requires: 1. Starting with a Hypothetical explanation of natural phenomena (Hypotheses - Humans are causing world wide damaging climate behavior) with general description with some data for discussion. 2. Challenging all listeners to energetically attempt to find flaws in logic, data, history (big one) scope, Bias and Agenda then develop methodical, detailed experiments to disprove the hypothesis. not to prove it true, you can't and if there are no practical ways to disprove it, then it is a non-falsifiable conjecture and not a theory here. 3. Communicate all raw, original findings in data collection without any tampering, cherry picking, normalizing, hiding, so others can assess the validity anf logic of your study. (fail here -see inconsistent and invalid temperature readings) 4. Hope mightily that someone finds errors or reasoning in your work that makes the hypothesis incorrect - not campaigning strenuously for public support, fear mongering, prostituting professionalism for billions of funding dollars.q
21 posted on 09/13/2025 9:17:57 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Out of all climate models, the one which is in the most in agreement with reality is some Russian one.
All the others are not really testing against reality, but against each other. So they all agree!
They are programmed to agree!


22 posted on 09/13/2025 9:53:51 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: AZJeep

That’s why they are black boxes. The peasants just wouldn’t understand.


23 posted on 09/13/2025 9:54:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of racism, anger, hate and violence.)
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To: kosciusko51

“Predictions are very hard, especially about the future.”

Niels Bohr.


24 posted on 09/13/2025 9:59:28 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They are “good enough” when they can be used to expand government control, raise taxes, and produce trillions of dollars for “green” companies and their crooked political insider traders.


25 posted on 09/13/2025 10:06:51 AM PDT by Organic Panic ('Was I molested. I think so' - Ashley Biden in response to her father joining her in the shower. )
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To: Frank Drebin

When past climate data follows the model. Todays models do not. The climate models are politically biased by design and not honest science.


26 posted on 09/13/2025 10:08:37 AM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, MAGA)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

When it predicts ANYTHING without jiggering the results after or the input before.


27 posted on 09/13/2025 10:10:54 AM PDT by bobbo666
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To: cpdiii

All depends on the organization.


28 posted on 09/13/2025 10:11:29 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

When it can predict past weather. None of the climate prediction models used today or in the past can do that.


29 posted on 09/13/2025 11:11:15 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The climate has been warming relentlessly, since the end of the last glacial period. It will continue to warm until the Earth enters the next, inevitable glaciation. There is no action humanity can take to abate this certainty.


30 posted on 09/13/2025 11:37:51 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Organic Panic

“good enough for government work”


31 posted on 09/13/2025 11:45:34 AM PDT by takebackaustin
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Simple answer... Never!

Conjecture is not acceptable.

You can tell me what the weather is today... And you can tell me what the weather was yesterday in particular part of this world... But you can not tell me what the weather will be like tomorrow in any location anywhere on this planet with any certainty.


32 posted on 09/13/2025 12:32:23 PM PDT by jerod (Nazis were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: StAnDeliver

Concur.


33 posted on 09/13/2025 12:47:56 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Article: “climate policy”...

“Climate policy” always ends up with us eating bugs and the elites flying private jets to climate conferences and owning multiple mansions.

I have had quite enough of their “climate policy”.


34 posted on 09/13/2025 12:51:14 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: All

When is it good enough?

Well, from the ‘scientists’ point of view, it is good enough when it gets you a government grant, or a payment from the enemedia for publishing rights.


35 posted on 09/13/2025 1:41:30 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: bobbo666
When it predicts ANYTHING without jiggering the results after or the input before.

Precisely correct. When a NOAA satellite gave billions of data points that did not support the global warming mantra, they declared it was a satellite error and adjusted the data to reflect their truth. How in the hell do they know it was an error without examining the satellite? The real truth could easily found by launching another satellite with identical instrumentation and get new readings. They did not!

They do lie, not in error but in malice.

36 posted on 09/13/2025 2:44:12 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, MAGA)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The climate has been warming relentlessly, since the end of the last glacial period. It will continue to warm until the Earth enters the next, inevitable glaciation. There is no action humanity can take to abate this certainty.

The normal climate of the earth for many glacial epochs is glacial with brief interludes of warming we have today. If geologic history is a valid predictor (it is) we are on the cusp of a new glacial epoch. It will be long and cold as the warming periods are brief.

Pray for global warming as glacial periods are very hard on life.

ps
Per Al Gore the Arctic should be ice free by now in the summer. Why do Russia, Canada, and the USA deploy icebreakers in the arctic as I type? Are great ships crossing the arctic today? No!

37 posted on 09/13/2025 3:03:13 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, MAGA)
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