Posted on 09/02/2025 5:18:54 AM PDT by MtnClimber
If congress were capable of doing their job they would have done this by now.
“If congress were capable of doing their job they would have done this by now.”
They’re uninterested in doing anything. Half of the Republicans seem to be Democrats.
Didn’t Trump already win this long ago ?
We shouldn’t be trading with China at all. Not one dollar
[[The U.S. Constitution grants the tariff power to Congress. Although the Supreme Court has held that Congress has wide latitude to delegate tariff authority to the President, Congress is ultimately responsible for determining what tariff authorities the President should have and what limitations those authorities place on presidential discretion.
Congress may consider whether the President’s existing tariff authorities are adequate, inadequate, or overly broad. If Congress believes existing authorities are inadequate or insufficiently specific, it may consider legislation delegating additional authorities to the President. For example, one bill introduced in the 119th Congress would authorize the President to determine whether a foreign country imposes tariff rates or nontariff barriers that are significantly higher than those of the United States as to particular goods and, if so, to impose U.S. tariffs on those goods up to the rate applied by the foreign country.241 Congress could potentially also expand the President’s authority under existing authorities, such as by removing some of the above-described procedural requirements in various tariff statutes.]]
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48435
Fr9m what a lawyer on a news station was saying, basically, If congress doesn’t object, the president is free to impose tariffs, beczuse presidential powers are extraordinary basically, (the word wasnt extraordinary, but something along those lines), but even if congress objects, the president doesn’t have to abide, but doing g so might set up impeachment threat.
““If congress were capable of doing their job they would have done this by now.””
Politicians are individuals and individuals are always asking, “what’s in it for me?” In that atmosphere who is going to take the lead, expend the energy and political capital to make the government actually work? I’m sure there are a few. But those people are probably ghosted by the rest because talking to them means the person talked to will need to actually do something that does not benefit them personally or professionally. So, why bother?
The final question here is whether the POTUS has the authority to declare a National Emergency or...
Whether such a declaration must be reviewed and approved by either Congress or the Courts.
We the People have vested such declarations in POTUS until such time the emergency is past.
Suck it!
“They’re uninterested in doing anything. Half of the Republicans seem to be Democrats.”
Many Republicans would be happy to let the Dems be in control and simply complain. Our politicians are human waste. Their interest is in getting re-elected and increasing personal wealth. I fear the next time Dems get control it won’t be good for America.
We shouldn’t be trading with China at all. Not one dollar>>> That action seems like it would be supported by the IEEPA actually. Just not tariffs.
The act gives the president the authority to declare a national emergency.Further the act gives congress the power of review and specifically gives Congress the power to terminate the emergency by joint resolution. Because Congress gave itself the power of review it has taken this power away from the judiciary.
[[According to the Congressional Research Service, there are six statutory provisions currently in place that control how the president and the executive branch can use tariffs. Three provisions require federal agency investigations before a tariff can be imposed. The other provisions do not require an investigation before actions are taken.
Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 has been used by the first and second Trump administrations for steel and aluminum imports. It authorizes the president to ask the Secretary of Commerce to determine if goods are being imported in manner that threatens national security. The secretary then reports back to the president if he has any affirmative findings. “Section 232 does not require the President to follow the Secretary’s recommendations but permits him to take alternative actions or no action,” the CRS says. Under Section 232, there is no maximum time limit on the president’s tariff actions.]]
[[Ultimately, Congress can limit or expand the presidential tariffs powers through legislation, but the CRS concludes that based on precedents dating back to the time of Chief Justice Marshall, judicial precedent “has given the President broad latitude to exercise his tariff authorities.”]]
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president
Manhattan Contrarian ping
I don’t see SCOTUS getting between Congress and POTUS and ruling that these are illegal. M2C. NAL.
Itt doesn’t even need to be a national emergency, the president is allowed to impose them if they are taking u fair advantage. He hasn’t used that privilege yet, but its there.
[[Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, which allows the president to enact temporary tariffs to address “large and serious United States balance-of-payments deficits” or certain other situations that present “fundamental international payments problems; and Section 338 of Tariff Act of 1930, which authorizes the president to enact “tariffs on articles produced by, or imported on the vessels of, foreign countries that discriminate against U.S. commerce in certain ways,” have not yet been used.]]
From link above
:: The act gives the president the authority to declare a national emergency. Further the act gives congress the power of review and specifically gives Congress the power to terminate the emergency by joint resolution ::
Let us now look at appropriate timing.
If it is a national emergency (according to POTUS), should we wait for Congress to agree or disagree?
Congress has already exposed itself to be self-serving and overly deliberative when it comes to making pseudo-political assessments such as this.
How long do we wait...and at what cost?
I question the standing of the plaintiffs to being this case in the first place. I bet the Supreme Court knocks it out on that basis. Or put differently and as someone else above said, they will realize that this battle is a political one between Congress and the Executive and refuse to enter the fray.
Yep. And what the lawyer was arguing was that since co guess is not acting to terminate the emergency declaration, that the tariffs stand. He was basically arguing that it is up to co guess, not the courts, to declare that the president didn’t have the right to declare an emergency. (From what I gathered listening to the lawyer- but probably I misunderstood it)
If Roberts can play semantics with the Obamacare “tax”, he can do the same with tariffs.
Ain’t that the truth! Lawyers all over the nation lambasted him for his ignorance when he explained his ruling. It was such a shameful act!
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