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The standard response by archeologists is .. “it must be some sort of religeous symbol”.
It could never be some rich guy’s house, or a house of ill repute.
Since there are similar sites located nearby, maybe it was a town hall. Nobody knows just yet, but a true and exact answer might make dozens of professor’s books obsolete, and we can’t have that.
He’s talking nonsense. They dug Ur, Crete and Troy 100 years ago ..Same group won’t let anybody dig the around Pyramids in Egypt neither.
Bzsed upon other work—and I can’t remember the fellas name, but those depictions of birds, etc, had to do with constellations. It appears in my mind that the pillars are telling a story and giving a warning of when the comet storm happened and tehj ensuing destruction as well as where to look to see when it might happen again.
That is not conspiracy theory—and having a lost civilization does not mean one with flying machines and whatnot..but perhaps one of more advanced farming and perhaps using sound technology to move stone—or not....
Graham Hancock is a journalist, has always claimed to be nothing but...he takes information found out in the field and collates it and tries to attach meaning to that information.
In yesteryear, we had self education men that dedicated themselves to a particular field. They were not lettered in the Universities, but instead taught themselves in the field studying rocks and looking for patterns or not...These were the men that were the foundation of our sciences—people who observed their surroundings and reported about what they saw and their conclusions.
Who gains but supressing evidence of a lost civilization before this one that started some 10 thousand years ago? If mankind was almost wiped out by the Earth changes brought about at the close of the last era and the dawn of the Holocene—then those people were members of a lost civilzation—duh...
Right, real archaeologists always have empirical evidence for their statements that everything they find that's unusual or unexpected is a religious ceremonial thing.
Sensible science:
DECODING GÖBEKLI TEPE WITH ARCHAEOASTRONOMY: WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY?
https://www.maajournal.com/index.php/maa/article/view/686
4.CONCLUSIONS
According to the catastrophist viewpoint, the Younger-Dryas event was probably caused by a cometary encounter with the Taurid complex. Can we now confirm this? No. What we can say is the following;
>It is very likely that the people of GT had been keen astronomers for a very long time, and the low-relief carvings of animals (except snakes) symbolise specific asterisms. Pillar 43 very likely refers to the date 10,950 BC ± 250 yrs.
>There is a consistent interpretation of much other symbolism at GT in terms of the YD event as a cometary encounter, which supports the theory of coherent catastrophism. But we cannot be as confident in this proposal as the proposal for the date stamp. Other evidence from further excavations at GT and other sites may help to clarify this. Evidence linking GT to coherent catastrophism is as follows;
1) A great deal of physical evidence from a wide range of earth sciences appears to support the proposal that a major event occurred around 10,890 BC. A leading candidate for this event is a cometary encounter consistent with coherent catastrophism. The date stamp on pillar 43 corresponds closely with this date.
2) That the people of GT remained interested in this date even several millennia later suggests it was a very important event that had a significant impact on their cultural development.3) The headless man on pillar 43 indicates the event lead to loss of life.
4) Symbolism on pillar 18 is consistent with an event of cosmic origin. The fox symbolism, in particular, suggests a cosmic event originating from a specific position. The belt-buckle, ‘eclipse’ and snake symbols are consistent with a cometary encounter. But the symbolism on pillar 18 might be consistent with other astronomical interpretations as well that we have not considered.
Two words: Henrich Schielman
He wasn’t an archaeologist, and yet he discovered the city of Troy and that the Trojan War was probably a real event.
Informative post. Thank You.
“...theories like Hancock’s have gained mainstream traction — thanks in large part to Joe Rogan...”
History’s “Ancient Aliens” has been in the forefront of bringing so-called ‘fringe theories’ to the TV masses, not Rogan.
No one can dig for Noah’s Ark, either.
We’ll just have to wait until Oct/Nov for when the mother ship arrives to take it back with them.
Same group won’t let anybody dig the around Pyramids in Egypt neither.
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Because ‘they’ are wedded to Herodotus explanations from 500 BC. Nothing significant has been allowed to contradict it. Even modern dating methods, not available in Egypt, are banned.
The lost civilization is a real possibility - ‘experts’ in various disciplines always seem to over look that prior to whatever happened around 10,800 BC not only changed the entire world, but caused sea level to rise on average 400 feet.
Where do most people live today? Along the coasts, by river mouths - all those areas from before 10,800 BC are now buried under hundreds of feet of silt and debris. There is so far no way to explore the ocean bottom under that depth of silt. Perhaps in the future new tech will make it possible, but until then, there is no way to know for sure, except to judge by the human experience and choice of living areas now reflect those of the deep past.
other astronomical interpretations as well that we have not considered.
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Perhaps as Hancock suggested, it has to do with the constellation of the Swan which was extremely important to many groups from the Neolithic up to the relative present.
Just for accuracy’s sake, Hancock promotes the research of Dr. Martin Sweatman on Gobekli Tepe’s asterisms (research with which I just happen to strongly agree, specifically re so-called ‘Vulture Stone’ aka ‘Pillar 43’).
https://archaeologymag.com/2024/08/worlds-oldest-calendar-at-gobekli-tepe/
I truly appreciate the work of Graham Hancock in stitching together all of the data to frame a narrative which - with even sparse supporting evidence - defeats the cries of those who label such work - particularly by the non-scientist Hancock - as ‘conspiracy theories’.
I will die long before our culture accepts the truth and, hopefully, before history repeats itself as what some will interpret as ‘divine intervention’.
1. I can’t help but think the strange pillars held up a roof.
2. Is there a good 3D model of this place?
“Conspiracy theories take root — with help from Joe Rogan Graham Hancock, a British journalist and star of the controversial Netflix series Ancient Apocalypse, has theorized — without empirical evidence — that Gobekli Tepe was built by a “lost civilization” wiped out by an Ice Age cataclysm.”
Gobekli Tepe *is* the empirical evidence. There’s quite a bit of other empirical evidence from other sites around the world. Read the Christopher Dunn books on ancient Egyptian technology.
Also, how is speculating or theorizing on the origin of GT a ‘conspiracy’ theory? I would call that reasoning by inference from known facts, apparently something beyond the ability of modern archeologists, and as one would expect, beyond the ability of anyone associated with NPR. GT was without precedent up to the time of its discovery; a hunter/gatherer society that built monumental architecture on a large scale.
I don't mind that he has these interviews but he never challenges them and seem to believe anything they say.
Well here's one egyptologist, but representative of most: "You don't overthrow Egyptian history based on one phenomenon like a weathering profile... that is how pseudoscience is done, not real science."
What science does he have for dating the sphinx? They found a little statue that's not at the sphinx but a little temple in front of it and assumed it dates from same time as sphinx. Ladies and gentlemen, the hard science is ... asumption!
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