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Police find getaway car of army veteran suspected of deadly Montana bar shooting
BBC ^ | 07/02/2025 | Nadine Yousif

Posted on 08/02/2025 1:42:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Police have found the getaway car of a US military veteran who walked into a bar in the western state of Montana on Friday morning and fatally shot four people, but the gunman remains at large.

The shooting happened at The Owl Bar in the city of Anaconda at around 10:30 local time, the Montana Division of Criminal Investigation said. The bar owner told AP news agency he thinks the suspect just "snapped".

Police said they have found the white Ford-150 pick-up truck that the suspect used to flee the scene, but no sign of the gunman.

Authorities are now focusing their search in a mountainous area west of Anaconda, and have asked residents in the area to stay home and lock their doors.

The Anaconda-Deer Lodge County Law Enforcement Center named the suspect as Michael Paul Brown in a social media post, adding he is "believed to be armed and dangerous".

According to public records, he lived next door to the bar.

The owner of The Owl Bar, David Gwerder, who was not there at the time of the shooting, told the Associated Press: "He knew everybody that was in that bar.

"I guarantee you that. He didn't have any running dispute with any of them. I just think he snapped."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; montana
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To: napscoordinator

Uh ya. That was my point


21 posted on 08/02/2025 2:44:29 PM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: BenLurkin

A Military Veteran? Yes, let’s ID the shooter.

A Minority? No, let’s not mention that.


22 posted on 08/02/2025 2:44:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Import the third world. Become the second world.)
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To: Round Earther

If only he had shot the jukebox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbQW7rDOPxI


23 posted on 08/02/2025 2:46:12 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Import the third world. Become the second world.)
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To: stanne

I know. I got it. You do have some good folks in your generation though.


24 posted on 08/02/2025 2:46:37 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: Billthedrill
"The term Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder hadn't been invented yet but the thing was real."

Yes. My WWII Veteran Father told me about it. It was called Shell-shock or Battle fatigue. Probably other terms as well. Not all are cut out for the horrors of war.

25 posted on 08/02/2025 2:57:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1789. Death Certificate - 2021? )
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To: BenLurkin

Sounds like he did a public service.

Hung jury or acquit.

He’s more alive at 4am then the victims have ever been


26 posted on 08/02/2025 3:06:23 PM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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To: BenLurkin

“ The suspect is a veteran of the US Armed Forces, a spokeswoman for the Army told US media. Lt Col Ruth Catsro said Mr Brown served as an armour crewman from 2001-05, and was deployed to Iraq from 2004-05.”

Means nothing to me without knowing his discharge status


27 posted on 08/02/2025 3:06:57 PM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: A Navy Vet

“””Yes. My WWII Veteran Father told me about it. It was called Shell-shock or Battle fatigue.”””””””””

I remember a few guys that were called shell shocked. Dad was in WW2 but all I know is that he ended up in a hospital in Africa and got sent home before his term was up. He NEVER talked about it. Other WW2 vets I knew would never stop talking about it.


28 posted on 08/02/2025 3:11:22 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Billthedrill

The term Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder hadn’t been invented yet but the thing was real. The movie Best Years Of Our Lives addresses it closely enough for my WWII and Korea veteran father to say he never wanted to see it again.

George Carlin talked about that very subject.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc


29 posted on 08/02/2025 3:16:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Round Earther

My brother-in-law would plug his ears and hide his head when a band started playing a song about his birth place. He HATED that song.
“I’M PROWD TO BEE AN OKI-E-E FROM MUS-KOGE-E-E-E!”

His mom’s water broke on a trip to Tulsa from Dallas in that town.


30 posted on 08/02/2025 3:35:36 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( )
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To: cherry

Agree, IF they have both arms and both legs.


31 posted on 08/02/2025 3:42:19 PM PDT by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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To: BenLurkin

OF COURSE the headline includes details about him being an army veteran.

If he were of a different demographic, take your pick of victims groups, they’d barely be mentioning that he was a man and no other description.

I HATE the MSM.


32 posted on 08/02/2025 4:03:59 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: napscoordinator; cherry
Many were alcoholics and beat their wives. They were not angels. They just were untreated.

Which happened with men who didn't go to war before that.

Some people are just awful human beings.

However, I think PTSD is a legitimate issue that vets were never treated for, unfortunately.

However, the condition has been vastly capitalized upon so that now everyone has PTSD and the number of people who try to avoid arrest in traffic stops by claiming anxiety and PTSD so they need to be treated with kid gloves is near 100%. I've seen enough videos of entitled brats are are being told *No* and experiencing consequences for the first time in their lives.

The casual claim of it does a disservice to those who truly have it.

33 posted on 08/02/2025 4:14:12 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: BenLurkin

There must be hundreds of thousands of military veterans in the USA; how is that relevant?


34 posted on 08/02/2025 4:19:01 PM PDT by 55Ford
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To: Round Earther
Maybe they played Achy Breaky Heart one too many times on the jukebox.Maybe they played Achy Breaky Heart one too many times on the jukebox.

When I was a DJ at a Country Music radio station, I would have to get up and walk out of the studio when I got a request to play Achy Breaky Heart, which was several times a day.

35 posted on 08/02/2025 4:31:28 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: redfreedom

A vet from 20 years ago... methinks lamestream media is stirring up crap like usual.


36 posted on 08/02/2025 5:06:58 PM PDT by Organic Panic ('Was I molested. I think so' - Ashley Biden in response to her father joining her in the shower. )
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To: Texas Eagle

Well - read it again? He’s the bar owner. The perp lived next door. The implication is that everyone involved were “regulars”. He knows or knew everyone involved.

It makes perfect sense to me. YMMV


37 posted on 08/02/2025 5:45:45 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Amy Vet?
Bar?

What could go wrong with that combo...
__________________________________

what about it being 10:30 in the morning!!??


38 posted on 08/02/2025 5:50:00 PM PDT by BarbM (Men who look at porn are impotent for God.)
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To: cherry

My uncle (my mother’s little brother) was 17 years old when he had to hit the beach at Iwo Jima. He and the boys crawling out of that landing craft into the surf that day was the “second wave to hit the beach”. They ran into carnage, the dead bodies of the first wave lying there, dying, maimed.

What happened on the beach that day? He didnt get past that day, even after marrying and having a couple of cute little boys. He took his own life, leaving all of us, missing him to this day.

Vietnam then left many of my generation marred and broken. PTSD is not an excuse, as some now think, but possibly an explanation why people lose their sanity and self-control- go berserk.

I am sure some may use it that way - as an excuse, but I wonder how old you are, and how many of your friends and family have suffered because of war? My grandsons have no understanding of horrible war can be, probably because of modern computer based video games. I have noticed that my son, 82nd Airborne, Northern Iraq, Operation Comfort - rescuing the Kurds, doesn’t talk about what he and his men endured, and what happened to the Kurds when caught by Saddam’s men. I notice he doesn’t seem interested in such games, avoids them...

I know even the strongest of men have suffered for years after the savagery of combat and hope we never have to send young men to war again. But I doubt my hopes will come true. War is not like a video game on the internet.

I do not know about the man in Utah, so am just telling you my thoughts in general.


39 posted on 08/02/2025 5:52:31 PM PDT by jacquej (“You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: jacquej

Nailed it!


40 posted on 08/02/2025 6:41:01 PM PDT by old school
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