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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Messianic Jews” = Christians. Not Jews.


12 posted on 07/29/2025 10:53:37 AM PDT by PoeToaster
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To: PoeToaster

Messianic Jews equal the Israel of GOD.


13 posted on 07/29/2025 10:58:36 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: PoeToaster
Is a Jew Who Converts Still Jewish?

Question:

My sister was baptized and has since married and had a child.
My mother claims the child is Jewish, but how could that be?
If Judaism is a religion, if someone leaves it, she’s no longer Jewish, right?

Response:

Logically, I would have to agree with you. 
If Judaism is a religion, then someone who doesn’t believe in the religion should be no longer Jewish. 
The reality, however, is that it doesn’t work that way.

Throughout the Tanach, we find Jews breaking every facet of their covenant with G‑d, 
joining and forming all sorts of idolatrous cults and heathen practices. 
Yet when the prophets chide them, they are called “My people, Israel.”

The Talmud focuses in particular on the precedent of a notorious character named Achan, 
who appears in the story of the fall of Jericho. 
“Israel has sinned,” exclaims G‑d. “They have transgressed My covenant that I commanded them.” 
Yet in the story’s narration we discover that the lone sinner is Achan, 
who took from the spoils of Jericho. 
The Talmud points out that nevertheless Achan is considered “Israel,” and remarks, 
“Israel, although he has sinned, is still Israel.”
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Based on the above statement of the Talmud, 
the Jewish Code of Law rules that a marriage between a
Jewish man and a Jewish woman who “convert out” is completely valid.
Therefore, their children are considered Jewish and could also marry other Jews.

23 posted on 07/29/2025 12:52:07 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.=)
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To: PoeToaster

No, they are still Jews by birth. Jesus and the disciples were Jews.


31 posted on 07/29/2025 1:41:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Time to dump out the Treasury drawer and throw out all the junk that is wasting our money.)
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To: PoeToaster

You are wrong.


34 posted on 07/29/2025 2:03:53 PM PDT by Ken Regis (I concur )
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To: PoeToaster

I think the answer depends if the person is Jewish under Jewish law.

So, for example, if the person was born Jewish (or properly converted) and subsequently was baptized and joined the Church, he would be both Catholic and Jewish.

If the person is a gentile who practices Messianic Judaism, he’s not Jewish, but rather a 1st or 2nd style century Christian who rejects the Council of Laodicea, held around 363-364 AD.


36 posted on 07/29/2025 3:09:24 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: PoeToaster

Well, that depends. If Messianic Jews are still around in a century and have passed their faith down from generation to generation, eventually Jews will have to admit that there are Christian Jews as well as Buddhist Jews and atheist Jews, agnostic Jews and Marxist Jews. If on the other hand, Messianic Judaism is just a half-way house between Judaism and Christianity, the current attitude will continue.

In any case, though one may be ethnically Jewish and a Catholic (or Catholic by birth and ancestry and a Jew) one can’t be a believer or adherent of Judaism and Catholicism at the same time.


60 posted on 07/31/2025 11:43:45 AM PDT by x
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