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The Most Well-Behaved Queen of England In History | Philippa of Hainault [25:10]
YouTube ^ | October 1, 2023 | History's Forgotten People

Posted on 05/26/2025 12:10:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Looking for a scandalous queen misinterpreted by history? You won't find her here. Philippa of Hainault in fact embodied the medieval romantic ideal of a queen consort, alongside her husband, King Edward III of England, who was also idolised. As a result of behaving well, much less is known of Philippa than her more infamous mother-in-law, Isabella of France. This video looks at Philippa's many achievements, her successful marriage, and the way in which her kindness and gentle nature helped heal a country tired or royal turmoil... 
The Most Well-Behaved Queen of England In History | Philippa of Hainault | 25:10 
History's Forgotten People | 63.4K subscribers | 180,311 views | October 1, 2023
The Most Well-Behaved Queen of England In History | Philippa of Hainault | 25:10 | History's Forgotten People | 63.4K subscribers | 180,311 views | October 1, 2023

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0:00·the noble chivalrous King and his
0:03·beautiful dutiful wife one medieval
0:07·couple would embody this romantic ideal
0:10·of the Middle Ages although their path
0:13·there wasn't straightforward the King
0:16·was Edward III and his Queen was
0:20·Philippa of heot Philippa was born in
0:24·heot an area which today covers part of
0:27·the border between Belgium and France
0:30·probably in around
0:32·1314 she wasn't an only child either
0:35·with four sisters Agnes who died young
0:39·Isabella who was a toddler when philippo
0:42·was a teen and two older sisters
0:45·Margaret and Jan as well as two brothers
0:48·William who was older and Louie who was
0:50·younger she was Noble by birth as her
0:54·father was count William I of heot and
0:57·her mother was Jean noal
1:00·a cousin of England's Queen Isabella and
1:03·daughter of the French Prince Charles
1:06·count of Vala her life was certainly one
1:09·of luxury and privilege and she was most
1:12·likely born in Salon her father's
1:15·property near the river skelt a 12th
1:18·century Palace Philippa spoke Dutch and
1:21·French was well versed in the medieval
1:23·romances her mother loved and her
1:26·behavior at court was impeccable by 132
1:30·5 Philippa was living in valencian at
1:33·her parents' court and events in England
1:36·were heating up the Queen of England
1:38·Isabella of France had irrevocably
1:41·separated from her husband the King
1:44·Edward II of England Not only was he
1:47·running the country into the ground but
1:50·Isabella had been replaced for the
1:52·second time by one of Edward II's male
1:56·favorites this time with Hugh dispenser
2:00·with whom he seemed
2:02·infatuated Isabella had managed to leave
2:05·England for France on a diplomatic visit
2:08·taking her son Prince Edward the later
2:11·Edward III of England with her the heir
2:14·to the throne of England Isabella's main
2:17·problem as well as that of her lover
2:19·Roger Mortimer was that they wanted to
2:22·take an army to England to Dethrone
2:24·Edward II but they didn't have the funds
2:28·or people will William Philip's father
2:32·agreed that he would help provide ships
2:34·troops and a large cash dowy if Queen
2:38·Isabella agreed to her son marrying one
2:41·of his daughters in return Queen
2:44·Isabella would also ensure Maritime
2:46·peace between England and heot as well
2:49·as lucrative trading rights an agreement
2:52·was made and the bride merely had to be
2:55·chosen Philip's sister Isabella was
2:58·still a toddler so she was out in any
3:00·case but it did leave Philippa herself
3:03·and her sister Agnes who was around 11
3:06·years old who would live to only the
3:08·following year at any rate philipper and
3:11·Edward hit it off and when it was time
3:14·for him to depart for England he agreed
3:17·he would marry her interestingly Prince
3:20·Edward's father Edward II had just a few
3:23·years earlier sent Bishop stapledon to
3:26·take a look at William the first
3:27·daughters to see if any of them would be
3:30·suitable as a bride for his son when he
3:32·was there the bishop wrote a description
3:35·of one of the count of hao's daughters
3:38·that has in recent years sparked a
3:40·discussion over what philipper really
3:42·looked like just to start we don't know
3:46·if this description is of Philippa or
3:48·her Elder Sister Margaret but as they
3:51·had the same parents probably didn't
3:53·look to dislike one another Bishop
3:56·stapled and said the lady whom we saw
3:59·has not uncomely hair betwix blue black
4:02·and brown her face Narrows between the
4:05·eyes and its lower part is more narrow
4:08·than her forehead her eyes are blackish
4:11·Brown and deep her nose is fairly smooth
4:15·and even save that it is somewhat broad
4:18·at the tip and flattened and yet it is
4:20·no snub nose her lips are full
4:23·especially the lower lip her lower teeth
4:25·project a little beyond the upper yet
4:28·this is but little scene all her body is
4:30·well set and uned and not is a miss so
4:34·far as a man may see moreover she is
4:37·brown of skin all over much like her
4:39·father and she will be the age of 9
4:42·years on St John's day next to come as
4:45·her mother said the comment that she was
4:48·brown of skin and had blackish brown
4:50·eyes has led to a very small minority of
4:53·historians suggesting philipper may have
4:56·been black while it's true that in the
4:58·medieval world no one really cared what
5:01·you looked like as long as you had good
5:03·Regal ancestry and were wealthy we also
5:07·don't really know what these comments
5:09·mean her father was also described as
5:13·being dark in Coloring but this could
5:15·have different meanings in the medieval
5:18·period to now looking back at Philip's
5:21·immediate ancestry going back six or
5:24·seven generations she had mainly
5:27·Hungarian Norwegian Finnish French and
5:30·Turkish ancestry knowing this it highly
5:33·unlikely Philippa was black but it's not
5:36·impossible she may have had olive skin
5:39·and dark eyes from her other layers of
5:41·ancestry which would also have resulted
5:44·in the description Bishop stapledon gave
5:47·not all Europeans were blue-eyed with
5:49·blonde hair in the Middle Ages many
5:53·people in Europe with darker skin were
5:55·also often described as being Moorish in
5:58·looks if not as a mo because she was not
6:01·a Muslim which stapledon would almost
6:04·certainly have used for philipper if she
6:06·was black there is also another
6:09·description of her that is often
6:10·overlooked and it's one philipper
6:13·herself would have likely seen and
6:15·approved that of her Epitaph on her
6:19·Epitaph she is described as tall and
6:21·straight and also being of ros8 hue this
6:25·suggests a rosecolor hue to her
6:28·complexion regardless of her looks it
6:31·was the alliance between England and
6:34·heol that was the most important aspect
6:36·of her coming marriage and Philippa
6:39·would have been aware of this back in
6:41·England Isabella and mortimer's invasion
6:44·was successful and Prince Edward was
6:47·placed on the throne as Edward III while
6:51·relations with the people of England and
6:53·with Scotland were temporarily sorted
6:56·into a truce on the 16th of December
7:00·1327 Philippa set sail for England's
7:03·Shores accompanied by her father and a
7:06·retinue of hotter Lords ladies and
7:09·attendants one of her attendants her
7:11·Usher was a knight named P deoy who was
7:15·the father of Katherine swinford later
7:19·to become the lover and wife of John of
7:22·gaun one of philippa's future children
7:25·finally on Christmas Eve of that year
7:28·philipper entered London in state to a
7:31·rapturous and merry crowd thankful for
7:34·her embodiment as the treaty between
7:37·England and hey note on the 23rd of
7:39·January Philippa came to the city of
7:42·York meeting once again with her
7:44·intended groom Edward he apparently
7:48·kissed her hand and greeted her happily
7:51·before leading her to York castle where
7:54·she would stay until their wedding their
7:56·wedding took place just a day later on
7:58·the 24th of January in the middle of a
8:01·blizzard in the imposing York Minster
8:05·unlike other previous Queens Philippa
8:08·was Savvy enough to send a large chunk
8:11·of her Hein alter retinue home despite
8:14·her love for where she was born and
8:16·would instead have many English ladies
8:18·in Waiting in attendance alongside those
8:21·who stayed from her Homeland it was
8:23·something that would help the English
8:25·people warm to her as their Queen
8:28·however she also ensured there were more
8:31·ladies present at court than there had
8:33·ever been previously and this created a
8:36·civilizing effect on the male courtiers
8:39·the marriage was to be a happy one a
8:42·true partnership as the young royal
8:45·couple adored one another it's likely
8:47·Edward was overjoyed to have a bride he
8:50·would love after watching how his father
8:53·had treated his mother for so many years
8:56·no doubt made clear by his acquiescence
8:58·and care towards Isabella for the rest
9:00·of her life it was something Edward also
9:03·struggled with however despite being
9:06·instantly loved by the people and her
9:09·new husband Philippa would begin her
9:11·life as Queen a subordinate to her
9:14·mother-in-law Isabella Isabella had
9:17·spent much of her adult life as a queen
9:20·pushed to one side by her husband's male
9:23·favorites it was Little Wonder then when
9:25·she was finally able to have some
9:28·control over it events as well as being
9:30·her son's main advisor Isabella was
9:34·reluctant to relinquish any of that
9:36·control to a mere girl of 14 Philip's
9:40·coronation was pushed back indefinitely
9:43·and the da lands normally given to new
9:45·queens were instead still held by
9:48·Isabella Philippa was not given an
9:51·independent household of her own but was
9:54·expected to share the Kings there was
9:57·probably also a fair amount of of
9:59·jealousy towards the new Queen
10:01·regardless of Isabella's good points and
10:04·Philippa threatened the influence
10:06·Isabella had over her son but Philippa
10:10·wasn't completely without power letters
10:13·sent soon after her marriage from the
10:15·pope not only congratulated her on her
10:18·nuptuals but also reminded her of her
10:21·position in being able to influence the
10:24·king in all matters with the church a
10:27·few months later he gave Philip a
10:29·permission for a portable altar in her
10:32·chamber and to enter a nunery with a
10:35·large retinue as well as a Confessor
10:38·being able to give her Absolution if she
10:40·died suddenly but in return the pope
10:44·urged her to convince Edward of his
10:46·works with the church and to give some
10:48·property to the knights hospitalis it
10:51·wasn't until 1333 years later that
10:55·Edward's patience ran out philipper was
10:58·pregn pregnant with their first child
11:01·and the idea that the possible heir to
11:03·the English Throne might be born while
11:05·their mother wasn't even Queen was
11:08·Unthinkable tired of Roger Mortimer
11:11·acting like a king and overusing power
11:13·that wasn't his by right Edward decided
11:16·to quietly Garner support from the
11:18·church and Nobles Isabella and Mortimer
11:21·under increasing pressure gave up some
11:24·of the da lands to Philippa and her
11:27·coronation was finally arranged on the
11:30·4th of March
11:32·1330 Philippa was finally crowned as
11:35·Queen of England a few months later
11:39·Philippa went to Woodstock Palace to
11:41·prepare for the birth of her first child
11:44·to everyone's Joy she gave birth to a
11:47·healthy son on the 15th of June named
11:51·Edward of Woodstock and now the heir to
11:54·the English crown no expense was spared
11:58·and Edward III was generous in giving
12:01·gifts and money to the nursery
12:03·attendants and women who rocked the
12:06·infant to sleep but the tolerance for
12:08·Mortimer and Isabella's control over
12:11·Royal Affairs was weakening by this
12:13·point not long after Edward III formed a
12:17·coup to be rid of mortimer's influence
12:20·bursting in on him and his mother during
12:23·a meeting at Nottingham Castle and
12:25·arresting him on the 19th of October on
12:29·the 29th of November Mortimer was
12:32·executed at tyburn and Isabella would be
12:35·placed under loose house arrest for less
12:38·than 2 years she was held otherwise
12:41·innocent of events in an effort for
12:44·Edward to restore her tarnished
12:46·reputation and his family's honor it
12:49·wasn't until philipper gave birth to her
12:52·second child in March
12:54·1332 their eldest daughter that Queen
12:57·Dowager Isabella was rehabilitated at
13:00·court The New Daughter was named
13:02·Isabella after her grandmother a sign
13:06·that Edward and philippo wanted to pull
13:08·their family back together but they were
13:11·also concerned with the show of regality
13:13·and power that they needed to give off
13:16·in the medieval period a strict
13:18·hierarchy was kept between royalty
13:21·nobility clergy and commoners in order
13:25·to do this clothing was used as an
13:28·outward reminder of one's place
13:31·philipper and Edward both spent lavishly
13:33·on rich clothes made of cloth of gold
13:36·velvet Miner cloaks and hoods and robes
13:40·embroidered with gold animals it would
13:43·become over the years a source of the
13:46·debt the couple were often in with her
13:49·mother-in-law now resigned to the
13:51·background noise of court philippo was
13:54·finally able to come forward and shine
13:57·as Queen now now 18 years old it's clear
14:00·she began to grow in confidence the
14:03·successive Wars England had been through
14:06·over the past few decades had left the
14:08·country in financial Straits and it was
14:11·philipper who would concentrate Edward's
14:14·efforts on Commercial expansion Edward
14:17·was already busy restoring his kingdom
14:19·through enlisting the support once more
14:21·of his Barons and Council ensuring
14:24·Parliament R regularly and brokering
14:27·lucrative foreign alliances philipper
14:30·promoted the idea of coal mining in
14:32·north umberland and other parts of the
14:34·northeast of England and she encouraged
14:37·Flemish Weavers to settle in Norwich
14:40·kickstarting the textile industry there
14:43·philipper also fulfilled her role as
14:45·Peacemaker by interceding with her
14:48·husband on no less than 76 occasions
14:51·usually for pardons for criminals
14:54·awaiting their punishment in the few
14:56·letters of hers that survive Philippa
14:59·often wrote on behalf of others and on
15:02·one occasion wrote to her lawyer asking
15:05·that the taxes raised in her lands be
15:07·paus while Her counsel and herself
15:10·worked out which were to her profit and
15:13·which could be dropped for the benefit
15:15·of her tenants she was also a great
15:18·Patron rebuilding the hospital of St
15:21·Catherine of the Tower and patronizing
15:24·several churches and abies including
15:26·gray fries in London and St Mary's in
15:29·yor philipper of course had another
15:33·major role as Queen and that was to
15:35·provide as many Royal children as
15:37·possible while she had already given
15:40·birth to Edward of Woodstock who was the
15:42·heir to his father's Crown it was always
15:44·sensible to have a few spares and many
15:47·children meant more opportunities to
15:50·create alliances with foreign kingdoms
15:53·she would go on to give birth altogether
15:55·to 12 children an amazing in feet at a
15:59·time when childbirth was often deadly
16:01·for women and infant mortality was high
16:05·nine of their children would live beyond
16:07·infancy with five of their sons reaching
16:10·adulthood which would cause its own
16:13·problems later on with their descendants
16:15·using their lineage back to Edward iiii
16:18·as a basis for the wars of the Roses but
16:21·Edward and philipp's Court would become
16:23·known for its romantic and chalc
16:26·associations the knights military-minded
16:29·men at court would enjoy hearing tales
16:32·and songs about Marshal exploits while
16:35·the women at court enjoyed romances and
16:37·poems that leaned into the bardy and
16:40·erotic the two genres fed into the ideas
16:43·about courtly romance a medieval idea
16:47·that made it acceptable desirable even
16:50·for male courtiers and especially the
16:52·king to entertain and flirt with ladies
16:55·of the court but while philippo was the
16:58·a perfect partner to Edward it was in
17:01·1346 she would get her Taste of holding
17:04·power in her own right in
17:07·1338 Edward had formerly made a claim
17:10·for the French throne using his lineage
17:13·through his mother Isabella who was
17:15·daughter of Philip IV of France this
17:18·would Kickstart the series of conflicts
17:21·known as the Hundred Years War he used
17:24·philippa's connections with the low
17:26·countries through her siblings and other
17:28·family to start his campaign in Flanders
17:31·taking his Queen with him the people of
17:35·Flanders hated their count Louis the who
17:38·had Allied himself with France through
17:40·his marriage and so they were happy to
17:43·receive Edward as the French King there
17:46·is evidence that Philipa aided her
17:48·husband behind the scenes paying spies
17:51·to report on Philip I 6 of France and
17:54·maintaining a good relationship with
17:57·Pope Clement II to keep him on side the
18:00·wars continued on over the years with
18:03·the royal couple flitting between
18:05·England and France until
18:07·1346 by now Prince Edward of Woodstock
18:10·was 16 years old a strapping young man
18:14·ready for a fight and he accompanied his
18:17·father to France on campaign engaging in
18:20·one of the most important battles of the
18:22·conflict the Battle of Cy on the 26th of
18:25·August Philippa was for the first time
18:28·appointed Regent in the king's absence
18:31·while she ably administered the kingdom
18:34·she would be faced with a far greater
18:36·challenge when David II of Scotland
18:39·decided to take advantage of Edward III
18:42·being in France and invaded England in
18:45·the Autumn perhaps no one had thought
18:48·the gentle kind Queen who was known for
18:50·her acts of Mercy would be good at
18:52·defending the kingdom but they were
18:55·about to be proved wrong David II got no
18:59·further than York as in October philippo
19:02·raised 12,000 men from the north to
19:05·fight under the command of Thomas
19:07·Hatfield the bishop of Durham and two
19:10·Northern Nobles Henry Percy and Ralph
19:13·Neville Jean quon's account of events
19:16·states that Philippa knew that if she
19:18·was actually seen by the people in the
19:20·north of England it would help and so
19:23·she traveled to Newcastle upon time
19:26·before battle ensued she rode on a white
19:29·horse from Battalion to Battalion
19:32·charging them to fight bravely and for
19:34·the honor of the king of England on the
19:37·17th of October the Battle of Neville's
19:40·cross was fought to the north of Durham
19:43·and David II was taken prisoner it was a
19:47·victory for the English but a far
19:50·greater foe was coming in
19:53·1347 this time in the form of the
19:56·terrifying pandemic that swept across
19:58·Europe the plague known as the Black
20:02·Death it would retain a shadow over
20:04·Europe until around
20:07·1351 and being rich or Royal was no
20:10·defense against it in
20:13·1348 philipper and Edward's 15-year-old
20:16·daughter Janes succumbed to the plague
20:18·on the 1st of July they were devastated
20:22·when they heard the news and sources
20:24·show they were heartbroken at her death
20:27·just a few months later in early
20:29·September their 3-month-old son William
20:32·also died possibly also of the plague
20:36·the Black Death changed the social
20:38·landscape of England with commoners for
20:41·the first time finding their skills in
20:44·demand as Manpower was lost with
20:47·countless deaths and those who survived
20:50·the plague would help sound the death
20:52·Nowell for feudalism now well into her
20:55·40s Philippa would give birth to her
20:58·final child Thomas on the 7th of January
21:03·1355 she now had a fairly good
21:06·relationship with her mother-in-law
21:08·Isabella and when her sister-in-law Joan
21:10·of the tower decided to leave her
21:13·Unfaithful husband David II for good
21:16·once he was released and allowed to
21:18·return to Scotland in
21:20·1357 both Philipa and Isabella were
21:23·frequent visitors to her together
21:26·Isabella adored her grandson Prince
21:29·Edward who would later be known from the
21:31·16th century onwards as the black prince
21:34·and she often entertained both him and
21:36·philipper at her properties until her
21:39·death on the 22nd of August
21:43·1358 in her later years from around
21:47·1361 now well into late middle age for
21:50·the medieval period philipper began to
21:53·suffer from what was known as dropsy
21:56·nowadays we would call this edema which
21:59·can be a symptom of heart or kidney
22:01·failure thrombosis or liver problems
22:03·amongst other things by
22:06·1365 Philippa all but stopped traveling
22:10·suffering far too much and her tomb
22:12·Effigy was created it was the first
22:16·English Royal Effigy to be created with
22:19·realism and was likely to have been
22:21·created from Philip's Living Image on
22:24·the 14th of August
22:26·1369 philipper was given the last
22:30·Sacrament and asked to see the King
22:33·Edward III came and held her hand and
22:36·reportedly wept as she asked him to
22:39·release her from any engagements with
22:41·Traders she had made see that gifts she
22:43·had promised to the church would be made
22:45·for her and that when it was the king's
22:48·time to die he would be interred by her
22:51·side Edward agreed to these terms and
22:54·Philippa died in her bed the next day on
22:57·the 15
22:58·on the 9th of January nearly 6 months
23:01·after her death and after a magnificent
23:05·funeral ceremony in London on the 3
23:08·philipper was buried in Westminster
23:10·Abbey philipper had been an example of
23:13·what was expected of a medieval queen a
23:16·paragon of her peers she and Edward had
23:20·had a successful marriage of 41 years
23:23·and she had given birth to 12 children
23:26·seeing many of them survive into
23:28·adulthood Philippa had endured her
23:31·mother-in-law's early jealousy to become
23:34·good friends with her later in life she
23:37·had made herself popular amongst the
23:39·English people not known for their
23:42·tolerance with foreign queens and yet
23:45·had kept ties with her Homeland her
23:48·gentle and kind nature had led her to
23:50·successfully intercede with her husband
23:53·to Pardon many and she was renowned for
23:56·her sweet nature
23:58·but equally philipper had also proven
24:01·herself willing to defend her adopted
24:04·Kingdom rallying defense of the country
24:07·in her King's absence Philippa was the
24:10·Romantic ideal of a medieval queen and
24:13·despite her quiet personality was by no
24:16·means a weak one she was a feminine yet
24:20·strong woman who carried out the duties
24:22·expected of her at the time but also
24:25·made her presence felt in her own way
24:27·way it is perhaps due to philipper being
24:30·so well behaved that she is remembered
24:34·Less in history especially alongside her
24:37·more famous mother-in-law but she
24:39·deserves to be remembered as a woman who
24:42·brought stability and peace to a country
24:46·that needed a kind and gentle
24:50·Queen if you enjoyed this video don't
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1 posted on 05/26/2025 12:10:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 05/26/2025 12:11:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv
King Edward III of England, who was also idolised

Nasty Edward the Longshanks?

3 posted on 05/26/2025 12:18:26 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

No, that was Edward the First.


4 posted on 05/26/2025 12:38:21 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: Jim W N

That was Edward I. He was a grade A POS.

Edward III was famous for overthrowing Mortimer, who had helped depose Edward’s father, ended warfare with France, I believe had to endure the Plague, and was generally a peaceful man.

With peace brought stability and growth.


5 posted on 05/26/2025 12:38:41 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (🇺🇸✝️🙏🇮🇱)
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To: Jim W N

Edward I was called Longshanks. He struggled with internal uprisings and border wars, while also participating in the Crusades.

The Scottish king Alexander III was his brother in law, but died with a young granddaughter as his only living heir. She died within months, in Orkney, and as was their wont, the Scots produced more than a dozen claimants to the throne, and while the dispute was being decided, had Edward rule.

E1’s grandson was the very successful Edward III, who didn’t start any wars, but defeated his adversaries. The Plague helped out with everything during the 14th c. E3 reigned nearly 50 years.

Death Mask:

https://cdn.britannica.com/74/79374-050-1884C809/Death-mask-Edward-III.jpg


6 posted on 05/26/2025 12:48:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: TheWriterTX

You guys here really know your Royals! It’s good to have a tight perception of world history. My related knowledge is somewhat spotty. I recall in the ‘70’s, PBS or Masterpiece Theater had a long series about King Henry The Eighth.
It was presented during summertime.

I was a fan of TV Soap Dark Shadows during that time, so I was already interested in the scenes, costumes, mannered speech and stories of those times. I got more from that TV series on King Henry than from most of my school studies.


7 posted on 05/26/2025 1:07:43 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Jim W N

Edward III was Longshank’s grandson, considered by many historians to be England’s greatest king. Reigned for fifty years, beginning at age 15. Father of the Black Prince.


8 posted on 05/26/2025 1:29:31 PM PDT by katana
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To: lee martell

Originally, I had planned to get a Ph.D. in medieval literature. It was important to know not just the works, but the real life events that helped shape them.

The art, history, literature, architecture, even diet impacted both daily life and religion of the people.

Abelard and Heloise, Hildegard von Bingen, Spencer, dang...I’m going back 40 years. Can’t believe some of this stuff is still in my brain.


9 posted on 05/26/2025 2:00:40 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (🇺🇸✝️🙏🇮🇱)
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To: TheWriterTX

That cast of characters (and their back stories) will likely always be with you, available at your beck and call.


10 posted on 05/26/2025 2:15:02 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: SunkenCiv

bump


11 posted on 05/26/2025 2:20:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Think about it: The Supreme Court is nine lawyers appointed for life by politicians. —David Horowitz)
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To: TheWriterTX
Don't forget Hrosthwitha of Gandersheim.

Is Spenser really medieval?

12 posted on 05/26/2025 2:29:38 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

Paragraphs are your and our, friend .


13 posted on 05/26/2025 2:50:08 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Verginius Rufus

Point taken. Spencer was definitely post-medieval in life, but his writing style and influences were taken directly from the courtly love poets.

I thought the Faerie Queene was essential reading in most medieval lit classes. My professor didn’t just expect us to read it, she required us to memorize whole parts of it.


15 posted on 05/26/2025 2:51:13 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (🇺🇸✝️🙏🇮🇱)
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To: AFreeBird

Oh, good, the semi-literate guardian of style has arrived.


16 posted on 05/26/2025 3:09:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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Paragraphs are your and our, friend .>br>
SC did us all a favor by pasting the written transcript of a YouTube video. Most people just post the YouTube link.

SC provided us with enough written content to determine whether we wanted to view the video. Unless he is being paid, it would be too much to ask of him to edited a long document that was not formatted in the original.

From time to time I contribute by cleaning up unformatted paste jobs from people who are not word processor savvy, but a long YouTube video transcript is more than I am interested in tackling. Anyone else is free too, however.
17 posted on 05/26/2025 3:21:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: TheWriterTX
I'm sure selections from The Faerie Queene must have been included in the massive Norton's Anthology we had to read in freshman literature, but I don't remember any of it--just recall that Spenser is considered a great English author for some reason. I keep thinking I should go to the library some time and take a look at it, see if it rings any bells.

The International Medieval Conference in Kalamazoo (held every May) includes panels on Shakespeare so they are very generous in how they define the Middle Ages.

18 posted on 05/26/2025 4:24:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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Thanks D.S.


19 posted on 05/26/2025 4:40:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well-behaved women seldom make history. — Margaret Thatcher.


20 posted on 05/26/2025 6:06:24 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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