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Ok, here goes:

1. A trade deficit is NOT a subsidy. If we buy billions in diamonds from a poor African country, the fact that they can afford little in the way of US products doesn't mean we're subsidizing them. We're buying what we want. If I sell you my used car for $5000 and then I buy a $500 bicycle from you, you are not subsidizing me $4500.

2. Last year's trade deficit with Canada was $63 billion, so where the $200 billion number comes from is anyone's guess.

3. Canada has expressed zero interest in union or annexation with us.

4. "We need Greenland very badly." Why? Will China or Russia invade us through there? We already have a base there, important for monitoring any subsonic attacks to the US mainland. Do we want more bases? We can get them without threatening invasion. Is the real reason Greenland's mineral resources? Again, we can get them without threatening invasion.

We all know that President Trump enjoys stirring the pot (otherwise known as trolling, for example, his Pope Trump post.) That said, his hardcore negotiating skills are best deployed if focused on critical matters like trade (especially nowadays) instead of pursuing ludicrous objectives. Canada and Greenland are distractions that have exhausted their entertainment value. America First does not mean America Bigger.

1 posted on 05/04/2025 12:45:27 PM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Miami Rebel

Agreed. We have a base in Greenland already. Hasn’t it been there since World War II? If we want additional military presence, I’m sure that can be negotiated.

And what is the goal with Greenland? Does Trump want to make Greenland an American territory?

Canada as the 51st state is something that just will not happen. It seems pointless to talk about it, even in joking.


2 posted on 05/04/2025 12:53:37 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Trump is trolling about Canada. A slap to their leftist leadership, one they deserve.

His talk about Greenland and the Panama Canal is not trolling. It’s a serious game of international diplomacy. One that will isolate China, one that will make us safer from conflict, and keep other nations from plotting against us.

You underestimate his brilliance.


3 posted on 05/04/2025 12:57:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Miami Rebel

Have a referendum in the western provinces on joining the USA, each as a state!


4 posted on 05/04/2025 12:58:52 PM PDT by Savage Beast (There's a Light over the Whole World. I just want everybody to be happy, healthy and well. --DJT)
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To: Miami Rebel

Why all these new people in here when they should be happy at home at DU??

Why do trolls not get ZOTTED anylonger?


6 posted on 05/04/2025 1:01:42 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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What do I need from Canaduh? Another polar vortex? Gotta find a way to keep them there.


7 posted on 05/04/2025 1:01:44 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: Miami Rebel

There is zero need for an acquisition of Canada or Greenland. They would just complicate current politics and economics with an unknown value added for the United States.

As far as national security, if either country becomes easy pickings for a foreign power, we invade in a heartbeat.


8 posted on 05/04/2025 1:02:03 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. )
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To: Miami Rebel

Well, if we deport all Canadians, it might work.


9 posted on 05/04/2025 1:02:23 PM PDT by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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To: Miami Rebel

Alberta is real and should be a goal.

Referendum on independence probably this year.


16 posted on 05/04/2025 1:10:30 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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“A trade deficit is NOT a subsidy”

It can be if the nation’s tariffs are high and will not allow American products in, such as Canada’s sliding scale tariffs on American dairy, or China with everything.

Also, the subsidy includes defense costs.

” Will China or Russia invade us through there?”

Perhaps you need to go off and practice thinking before you announce presume to be a deep thinker. China or Russia could overtake Greenland by force or use the same methods they have used on the U S Congress or the South Korean government, to gain control of Greenland. Go ask Biden about their success.


19 posted on 05/04/2025 1:12:10 PM PDT by odawg
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We do not need all of Canada. Just trade California for Alberta and Saskatchewan. The other Canadian provinces are communist.


23 posted on 05/04/2025 1:14:49 PM PDT by DFG
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I hope we get Greenland.


25 posted on 05/04/2025 1:15:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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There’s a case to be made that Trump wanted Carney to win all along, which may have been at least partial motivation for his antagonistic “51st state” comments. Sundance has pointed out that USMCA comes up for review in July 2026 and makes the argument that POTUS wants out of the tri-lateral agreement, preferring separate deals with each country. A Poilievre administration would have made such a move more difficult.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/04/28/how-the-nafta-usmca-2016-review-underpins-president-trump-remarks-on-canada/

https://www.stratego-st.com/newsletters/renegotiation-of-usmca-in-2026-key-aspects/


31 posted on 05/04/2025 1:20:33 PM PDT by mbrfl
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The elites have war-gamed the very scenario we are seeing played out today. The collapse of the petro-dollar hegemony. In 1973 the “Club of Rome” planned for the post unipolarity world separating the world into 10 regions. Trump is merely following the “plan” with us taking Canada and Greenland. The Russia, Ukraine conflict is over who gets Ukraine Ukraine…Russia or the EU…

Italian Trulli
35 posted on 05/04/2025 1:23:41 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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We should offer Alberta, Saskatchewan, and British Columbia territorial status with an open border and military protection for a deal on lumber, oil, and minerals. They can remain independent and separate from Canadian socialist rule and we get a good deal on their exports. It would be a win-win.


36 posted on 05/04/2025 1:25:23 PM PDT by TonyM (Score Event)
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To: Miami Rebel

Your #1 is right on target. Trump needs to drop this nonsense.


43 posted on 05/04/2025 1:36:06 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Miami Rebel
That said, his hardcore negotiating skills are best deployed if focused on critical matters like trade (especially nowadays) instead of pursuing ludicrous objectives.

It's called "flooding the zone."

They buried Trump and his agenda with lawfare, forcing him to play wack-a-mole.

He's burying them the same way so they have to play wack-a-mole too.

45 posted on 05/04/2025 1:43:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of anger, hate and violence.)
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“Last year's trade deficit with Canada was $63 billion, so where the $200 billion number comes from is anyone's guess.”

The U.S. defense budget is approaching one trillion dollars per year, some portion of which could fairly be imputed to protecting Canada from bad actors.

How much could be imputed to Canada's defense I don't know.
But I doubt Canada could have a standalone military capable of defeating determined foes - like Red China or Russia - for an expenditure of $137 billion annually.

Let's be honest. The U.S. keeps Canada safe and frees up Canadian budget to provide socialized medical care that Canadians love; except when they have to slip across the American border to obtain immediate healthcare for serious illness.

46 posted on 05/04/2025 1:43:24 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Miami Rebel

Just give Alberta tactical nukes and invade Montreal.


48 posted on 05/04/2025 1:47:14 PM PDT by montag813
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I have always supported Trump but his lack of self-discipline and discretion is very costly. With his idle “musings,” he caused the conservatives in Australia and Canada to lose their very winnable races. Here in America, he should have won last November’s election by a huge margin, based upon Biden’s terrible administration. But he barely squeaked through, winning Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by very small margins. No doubt he will utter more “musings” in the next year to cause us to lose the House.


49 posted on 05/04/2025 1:49:10 PM PDT by phil00071
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We don't need another California added to the union, which is approximately what annexing Canada would achieve. It would be an absolute political disaster. Unless he is imagining the Canadians would be barred from voting in national elections as some sort of protectorate like Puerto Rico?

I agree with you - we can get what we need on Greenland without any need to conquer it. Ditto for Canada. Of all Trumps' wrong-headed utterances, his opening this can of worms - the dream of a Great American Empire - is by far the worst. If not shut it would transmute into a leftist vision for an Orwellian imperial state spanning North America. And that in turn would most likely lead (after a period of decay and repression and simmering regional revolts) into a fragmentation. Not only Mexico and Quebec going their own way, but the West coast and New England breaking away from the heartland; Canadian maritime states turning loose from Ontario and western Canada. I can see the American Midwest turning into a debatable land, seeking trade routes alternately via alliances with the South (Mississipi river valley) and east (alliances with Quebec or New England as they vie for control of the St. Lawrence).

All of which is to say, it would shatter America rather than creating a unified imperial superstate. And just why freedom-loving Americans should want an imperial superstate Trump can't say. Ordinary folks can do without those grandoise dreams.

55 posted on 05/04/2025 2:14:07 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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