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Trump still would like to add Canada and Greenland but says attack on Canada ‘highly unlikely’
Politico ^ | 5/4/2025 | Gregory Svirnovskiy

Posted on 05/04/2025 12:45:27 PM PDT by Miami Rebel

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To: jeffersondem
Rather than write another 10,000-word response, I refer you to Federalism: Yesterday and Today, an essay that addresses your question. I wrote it over a decade ago when I was involved with the Tea Party movement. It was the text of a lecture I gave to Tea Party groups in Georgia before the movement collapsed with Romney's loss in 2012.
41 posted on 05/04/2025 1:32:56 PM PDT by Publius
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

He trolled Trudeau perfectly.

That Polliviere didn’t run well is a testament to his ineptness. He was way ahead in the polls. Had he kept running on important issues for Canada, instead of doing a me too about Trump, he would have won.

That Canadians were too dense to understand what was good for their nation is, unfortunately, their fault entirely.


42 posted on 05/04/2025 1:34:46 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Miami Rebel

Your #1 is right on target. Trump needs to drop this nonsense.


43 posted on 05/04/2025 1:36:06 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: jeffersondem

By your logic, every Confederate Syaye had the right to Secede from the Confederacy.


44 posted on 05/04/2025 1:42:24 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Miami Rebel
That said, his hardcore negotiating skills are best deployed if focused on critical matters like trade (especially nowadays) instead of pursuing ludicrous objectives.

It's called "flooding the zone."

They buried Trump and his agenda with lawfare, forcing him to play wack-a-mole.

He's burying them the same way so they have to play wack-a-mole too.

45 posted on 05/04/2025 1:43:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of anger, hate and violence.)
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To: Miami Rebel
“Last year's trade deficit with Canada was $63 billion, so where the $200 billion number comes from is anyone's guess.”

The U.S. defense budget is approaching one trillion dollars per year, some portion of which could fairly be imputed to protecting Canada from bad actors.

How much could be imputed to Canada's defense I don't know.
But I doubt Canada could have a standalone military capable of defeating determined foes - like Red China or Russia - for an expenditure of $137 billion annually.

Let's be honest. The U.S. keeps Canada safe and frees up Canadian budget to provide socialized medical care that Canadians love; except when they have to slip across the American border to obtain immediate healthcare for serious illness.

46 posted on 05/04/2025 1:43:24 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

By your logic, any Southern Syate could have Seceded from the Confederacy. Texas absolutly would not have stayed.


47 posted on 05/04/2025 1:45:41 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Miami Rebel

Just give Alberta tactical nukes and invade Montreal.


48 posted on 05/04/2025 1:47:14 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Miami Rebel

I have always supported Trump but his lack of self-discipline and discretion is very costly. With his idle “musings,” he caused the conservatives in Australia and Canada to lose their very winnable races. Here in America, he should have won last November’s election by a huge margin, based upon Biden’s terrible administration. But he barely squeaked through, winning Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by very small margins. No doubt he will utter more “musings” in the next year to cause us to lose the House.


49 posted on 05/04/2025 1:49:10 PM PDT by phil00071
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To: Angelino97

Or getting zotted for having doubts about Romney? I’m still miffed about that, by the way.


50 posted on 05/04/2025 1:50:16 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: cowboyusa
“By your logic, every Confederate Syaye had the right to Secede from the Confederacy.”

They did have the right.

Moreover, every state in the original U.S. “perpetual union” had the right to secede which they soon did. Later they formed a new union which they liked better but they dropped the aspirational word “perpetual” from the new union's Constitution.

51 posted on 05/04/2025 1:53:50 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

And some of those Confederate Syates WOULD have seded3d. So you would have had 10 different American Republics at war with eachothe.


52 posted on 05/04/2025 2:02:26 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Publius
“Rather than write another 10,000-word response, I refer you to . . .”

It doesn't require 10,000 words. All you have to do is say: “Yes, the states that adopted the U.S. Constitution intended to overthrow the principles of the Declaration of Independence.”

53 posted on 05/04/2025 2:05:12 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I will. IMO he was much better than what “I invented the internet” Gore and “Swift Boat” Kerry would have been...maybe...

However the more I learn, the less I like.


54 posted on 05/04/2025 2:10:29 PM PDT by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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To: Miami Rebel
We don't need another California added to the union, which is approximately what annexing Canada would achieve. It would be an absolute political disaster. Unless he is imagining the Canadians would be barred from voting in national elections as some sort of protectorate like Puerto Rico?

I agree with you - we can get what we need on Greenland without any need to conquer it. Ditto for Canada. Of all Trumps' wrong-headed utterances, his opening this can of worms - the dream of a Great American Empire - is by far the worst. If not shut it would transmute into a leftist vision for an Orwellian imperial state spanning North America. And that in turn would most likely lead (after a period of decay and repression and simmering regional revolts) into a fragmentation. Not only Mexico and Quebec going their own way, but the West coast and New England breaking away from the heartland; Canadian maritime states turning loose from Ontario and western Canada. I can see the American Midwest turning into a debatable land, seeking trade routes alternately via alliances with the South (Mississipi river valley) and east (alliances with Quebec or New England as they vie for control of the St. Lawrence).

All of which is to say, it would shatter America rather than creating a unified imperial superstate. And just why freedom-loving Americans should want an imperial superstate Trump can't say. Ordinary folks can do without those grandoise dreams.

55 posted on 05/04/2025 2:14:07 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: cowboyusa
“And some of those Confederate Syates WOULD have seded3d. So you would have had 10 different American Republics at war with eachothe.”

You don't know that.

I'm sure the King's men were saying in 1776: “If the states secede from Great Britain you will have 13 different American Republics at war with each other - and that will result in the end of the world.”

It didn't happen; mostly because the men who led the states that created the U.S. and Confederate governments were much smarter than we give them credit.

56 posted on 05/04/2025 2:15:11 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes! Alberta! The 51st State!


57 posted on 05/04/2025 2:29:18 PM PDT by Savage Beast (There's a Light over the Whole World. I just want everybody to be happy, healthy and well. --DJT)
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To: Miami Rebel

We don’t need another Puerto Rico ... let the British keep their lackey state.


58 posted on 05/04/2025 2:29:51 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Trump has arrived and it is awesome to have a real President.)
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To: jeffersondem

Texas would have most certainly left and likely VA also.


59 posted on 05/04/2025 2:38:14 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Miami Rebel

Canada would fold like a house of cards at the first sign of trouble. Let's go for it!

60 posted on 05/04/2025 2:41:26 PM PDT by fireman15
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