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“20-30% of the Code…Written by Software” Microsoft Stock (NASDAQ:MSFT) Surges as Human Connection to Code Crumbles
TipRanks ^ | 05/03/2025 | Steve Anderson

Posted on 05/03/2025 8:27:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Myrddin

Well, wherever theres a complicated issue, there’s a simple solution: CONgress should just pass a LAW.

But first, it’ll take the left parading, rioting, protesting how “Coding is a HUMAN Right” and have the unionized coders go on strike, demonstrate how “free” “code-care” is fundamental to life as we know it and push for legislation along the lines of Obama-care guarantees “if you like your coder you can keep your coder” and “every household will see a drop of $2,000 a year in coding costs under our plan.”

EZPZ lemon squeezy!


21 posted on 05/04/2025 3:20:44 AM PDT by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America, MAGA/MAHA rising.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Your comment suggests that many lawyers are using AI to write briefs filled with imaginary case law.

That’s not accurate.

Only a handful of documented cases have involved lawyers submitting briefs with fake citations—most notably involving ChatGPT, which isn’t designed for legal research.

In contrast, there are specialized AI platforms like CoCounsel and Lexis+ AI that are trained on real case law and built specifically for legal professionals. These tools can review evidence, perform comprehensive legal research, summarize depositions, and help draft accurate, court-ready documents. They’re revolutionizing the practice of law—not undermining it.


22 posted on 05/04/2025 4:11:45 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who wrote the code that writes the code?


23 posted on 05/04/2025 5:06:17 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Myrddin

>AI won’t get a bite at the apple because it’s all classified systems.

That may be inaccurate. One can (does) set up genAI instances isolated from the public so as not to leak proprietary code or sensitive data.

Not saying you want to, but you could have an Nth career as a prompt engineer training one of these focused genAIs some portion of your experience. Probably more fun than teaching an H1B.


24 posted on 05/04/2025 5:10:55 AM PDT by No.6
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To: sten

AI is like a small child learning to walk.

It is way too early to tell whether it will be able to be an Olympic sprinter or not.


25 posted on 05/04/2025 5:18:02 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Rooster—good comments but I think you know where this is going to lead.

At some point we will need a lot less lawyers—and get higher quality work then we get from most lawyers.

Ultimately AI is going to get rid of the 99% of the work that is drudgery and routine and done by “average” lawyers.

The top one percent of lawyers—true subject matter experts—will become even more important than ever.


26 posted on 05/04/2025 5:21:04 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Back in the 1990s we used a “code writer” to try to reduce the time for completing new applications.

It made a standard design on every application. It did just so-so OK for a starting overall code/design, but the more complex that was the application the less well that standard worked. Our programmers almost always revised the code, and maybe spent as much time on that as “saved” by the code-writer’s code. We abandoned the effort after awhile.


27 posted on 05/04/2025 5:38:46 AM PDT by Wuli (.)
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To: Gene Eric

I think there are certain good use cases of AI...but the level of hype for it is off the charts. this feels like a mini-dotcom bubble.


28 posted on 05/04/2025 5:57:35 AM PDT by millenial4freedom (Government was supposed to preserve freedom, not serve as a jobs program for delinquents and misfits)
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To: SeekAndFind

AI is something written by a human. What is their bias? Time will tell.


29 posted on 05/04/2025 6:18:09 AM PDT by Mlheureux
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To: SeekAndFind

I think he is lying.


30 posted on 05/04/2025 6:21:10 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: SeekAndFind

He is covering for the fact that several critical issues arose in the past few months from their using India as a programming source. Programmers in the US fixed the critical issues, myself included. I do not work for Microsoft, but one of their critical infrastructure products affected me so I jumped in.


31 posted on 05/04/2025 6:22:57 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: No.6

There are internally hosted AI platforms that have been allowed access to some classified code. The customer would have to fund it. The money isn’t there. It wasn’t in the original proposal or subsequent contract. Some ID/IQ arrangements might be able to do it.


32 posted on 05/04/2025 6:41:14 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sten

Can confirm, except for the most trivial of completed-many-times tasks; but sometimes, it still hallucinates at that.

Also, Visual Studio Code with Copilot will hallucinate additional blocks of code after autocomplete, if you’re not careful.


33 posted on 05/04/2025 7:16:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

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34 posted on 05/04/2025 7:57:59 AM PDT by Svartalfiar (-)
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To: SpaceBar
And yet if you ask a modern programmer what a binary heap is or how Dijkstra’s algorithm works they just look at you with a blank stare.

I worked for Pacific Telephone/PacBell from 1980 through 1991. One of the perks was UNIX systems with full source code. A magnificent way to learn by example. I was already an avid C programmer. I also had early access to the C++ work being done by Bjarne Stroustrup in 1983. I did most of my programming in C++ from 1984 through 1991. Having full source provided great insight to how C++ was morphed into C, then compiled by the old CFRONT pre-processor. The library code for bsort, tsort and qsort were readily available to see exactly how they were implemented. I had to dig into Knuth's book a couple times when the sort/merge operations were sourced from data files that were 30 MB in size. A challenge on 1980s vintage hardware.

35 posted on 05/04/2025 3:52:07 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: normbal
During my PacBell days, the first attempts at 4th generation languages were being rolled out. The "suits" i.e. managers over software activities with zero skills at actually writing software were extolling the virtues of handling off complex software development to people in the "typing pool". They really tried to do that and were rewarded with trashy results. Trying to do database design without any concept of normalization (or de-normalization for performance) yielded more trashy results. In time, the management decided it was a bad idea and found new ways to confound the development process.

One of the real insightful things that occurred while I was at PacBell was the research for the book "Peopleware" by Larry Constantine. I was one of many people at the company included in the studies behind the book.

Another of my co-workers was Scott Adams. His cartoons were legendary and eventually he had to decide between working at PacBell and his literary works. He chose the latter. Some of his cartoons lampooned management inside PacBell. Employees easily figured out who was the target. I suspect that is why he was gently nudged out of the company.

36 posted on 05/04/2025 4:04:39 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: kawhill
Early in my career with my current employed, I attended UseNIX and happened upon a software vendor with a product called Purify. I made arrangements to try it at the office. I was probably the 10th customer they had since deciding to market the product. It found all manner of defects. Array bounds read/write errors, using uninitialized variable in a boolean comparison, freeing free'ed memory, using free'ed memory. Our application was using X-Windows in SunOS at the time and it was a total bugfest. Inside of the week, the complaints about core dumps from all of the mentioned items were erased. Subsequently, I insisted on using coverage analysis tools and enhanced unit testing because Purify can only detect a defect in code that actually executes. It was a real step forward in software qualify for that project.

At PacBell, we had a problem with the mainframe coming down daily around 5 PM. I did dumps of the damage common bank in the UNISYS environment. From that, I found the exact terminal that triggered the problem. We sent two people to guard the terminal. Sure enough, around 5 PM a young lady steps up to the terminal and enters a transaction. She was instructed not to transmit it. We captured the screen contents and shipped them off to Bellcore. The next day, we were informed that a COBOL library had a defect triggered by that input the corrupted a common bank library. The library was corrected and a patch sent to our Sperry system support staff. After correction, the transaction ran without a problem. Timeframe was Fall 1983.

37 posted on 05/04/2025 4:17:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SeekAndFind

The capability of AI doubles every four months. Singularity is not a question of if, but when.


38 posted on 05/04/2025 6:10:33 PM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: thepoodlebites

Great discussion on this topic:

https://rumble.com/v6l95ws-tech-ceo-talks-ai-ufos-simulation-theory-and-hidden-history.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

His basic argument—even if AI’s growth is linear (due to government regulation and/or social resistance of various kinds) and not exponential it will end the same way—that just changes the timeline.


39 posted on 05/04/2025 6:15:01 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: thepoodlebites

There will be no “singularity”.


40 posted on 05/09/2025 4:54:10 PM PDT by Frank Drebin (And don't ever let me catch you guys in America!)
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