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Elon Musk faces another massive blow as new study confirms his worst fear
The Daily Mail ^ | 30 Apr 2025 | XANTHA LEATHAM and ELLYN LAPOINTE

Posted on 04/30/2025 4:29:16 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

A phenomenon that Elon Musk has called 'the greatest risk to the future of civilization' just got worse, according to a new study.

Musk - who has 14 children with four women - has for years warned about population collapse caused by baby bust in America and the West.

The consensus was that countries needed a fertility rate of 2.1 children per one woman to continue growing - a concern given that the US's is at 1.62.

But now researchers say that fertility target may be too low.

A new study found populations may need a fertility rate of 2.7 children per woman to avoid long-term extinction.

The team said the original estimate didn't fully account for variables like mortality rates, the male-to-female ratio, the probability that some adults never reproduce, and random fluctuations in family size.

Musk, who boasts of 'always banging the baby drum,' has been sounding the alarm on worldwide population collapse for years, claiming it will be 'the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years.'

The billionaire-turned-politician previously said that low birth rates result in fewer workers, increased debt, strained healthcare and pension systems, and total social unrest.

Diane Cuaresma, one of the study's authors, said: 'Considering stochasticity [unpredictability] in fertility and mortality rates, and sex ratios, a fertility rate higher than the standard replacement level is necessary to ensure sustainability of our population.'

The team concluded that true population sustainability – as well as the sustainability of languages, cultural traditions, and diverse family lineages – requires rethinking conventional fertility targets.

Writing in the journal Plos One the team said: 'The underpopulation crisis has been a serious threat to the sustainability of developed countries.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: 1973; britishtabloid; dailyfaildotcrap; elonmusk; fertility; population
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To: MinorityRepublican

So how is this a *massive blow* for Musk????

How about stop pushing abortion? Slaughtering millions of babies certainly isn’t helping any.


41 posted on 04/30/2025 5:30:45 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesu)
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To: GMThrust

Yeah, how in the world does being proved right constitute a “massive blow”? I think the media people all have something wrong with them.


42 posted on 04/30/2025 5:36:29 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: MinorityRepublican

Population collapse? Sounds great.


43 posted on 04/30/2025 5:45:52 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: fr_freak

America is overcrowded. The roads are overcrowded. The cities are overcrowded. Farmland is constantly encroached on for new suburbs. Enough. Seal the border even for ‘legal’ immigration. Kick out the illegals.


44 posted on 04/30/2025 5:52:05 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: T.B. Yoits

1973... interesting times, the 70s.


45 posted on 04/30/2025 5:58:38 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustmilents offered here free of charge)
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To: MinorityRepublican
...only one pillar left. And that's America Islam

Mark Steyn wrote a great book titled "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It" nearly 20 years ago on this topic. Many of his predictions have / are coming true. He posited the ennui and hedonism in Western Europe resulting from two devastating world ward 1) killed off a lot of young men and 2) made people want to live for today, not for a family tomorrow, and 3) Islam will take over via Immigration Jihad.

He believed "America can survive, prosper, and defend its freedom only if it continues to believe in itself, in the sturdier virtues of self-reliance (not government), in the centrality of family, and in the conviction that our country really is the world's last best hope. " I think we are not doing well on any of those metrics.

Steyn should have added "If America has strict immigration control and only admit people who will assimilate, believe in the American Dream, learn English and contribute to our success." Biden demolished all of that.

46 posted on 04/30/2025 6:01:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Diversity is our Strength” just doesn’t carry the same message as “Death from Above”)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I had four, I did my part


47 posted on 04/30/2025 6:03:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Daily Mail has become a joke. It has descended into BatBoy territory.


48 posted on 04/30/2025 6:06:09 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: daniel1212

Duh. Because half of them died.


49 posted on 04/30/2025 6:09:04 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck (XKeep the change, you are filthy animal! Re )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Actually we are lucky when it comes to immigration. Nothing like the UK or Canada.

Anyway, the biggest problem is the Leftist indoctrination centers at our Universities. Trump Administration is going after Harvard which is the correct move.

Then we need to get the government out of certifying marriages. The mother won't leave her husband if she knows she won't get $$$ for it.

There's a limit to what Trump and Vance will be able to do before the next Democrat gets back to the White House (Gavin Newsom?)

Like you said, the end game is that Islam will ultimately prevail.

50 posted on 04/30/2025 6:10:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
During the GREAT DEPRESSION, most people had fewer children, as has ALWAYS been the case during HARD TIMES!

A lot of farm laboring jobs have been replaced by machinery.

Until manufacturing is brought back to America, WHY do we "need" more people?

We desperately need to STOP importing H1B hires, AND deporting more and more, and MORE people!

And getting able bodied OFF welfare, shutting down the GREAT SOCIETY crap ( what exactly have all of those children of UNWED mothers done to help this nation? ), and except for EXTREME cases ( such as the whites in RSA...who WOULD enrich this nation, as asylum seekers! ). completely STOP taking in asylum seekers!

Musk has impregnated FOUR different women. One of his progeny has already turned TRANNY, and who knows WHAT his other offspring, from broken homes, can or shall actually DO in the future? Most, IF NOT ALL, of kids won't be as clever as Elon.

Not everyone wants or is even able to raise a LOT of children well. And the LAST thing this nation needs is more useless people!

51 posted on 04/30/2025 6:17:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: packagingguy
Just visiting the cemetery in my family’s small town in Virginia and you see many tiny graves from the 1700s and 1800s.

That's a fact. The first sheriff in our county from the 1830's has 5 children buried next to him and none made it to the age of 4. Cholera was a big deal back then. Probably were drinking right out of the rivers around here.

*John Snow's investigation during the 1854 London outbreak highlighted the link between contaminated water and cholera.

*By the late 19th century, scientists confirmed that Vibrio cholerae was the causative agent of cholera.

52 posted on 04/30/2025 6:19:07 PM PDT by Karl Spooner (Putin: "Time to finish off the Ukraine troops"- 3/28/25)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Exactly where is this “massive blow” to Elon Musk at?
All I see is his warnings have been confirmed.
Its a “massive” boost for Musk if anything.
53 posted on 04/30/2025 6:19:54 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ClearCase_guy

And yet there ARE many Gen Zers who DO want to get married and have children; especially in the South. And I’m talking about the “good kids” that get absolutely NO publicity at all.


54 posted on 04/30/2025 6:20:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: fr_freak

That’s probably where we were in the mid-60s.


55 posted on 04/30/2025 6:22:09 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: daniel1212
And many of those children DIED/never made it to adulthood.

Farmers needed children for labor.

Poor, new, LEGAL immigrants needed them to work and help out the family finances.

And LEGAL contraception was was rare to NOT AVAILABLE AT ALL!

56 posted on 04/30/2025 6:25:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MinorityRepublican

I don’t think it needs TFR~2.7 to maintain sustainability. The 2.1 came from net reproduction rate equals to one. That is, by calculating how many girls a women needed so they can produce next generation that has similar number as current population. The number is two plus additional 0.1 to accommodate tnose who didn’t marry.

TFR = 2.7 will simply lead faster population growth.


57 posted on 04/30/2025 6:26:13 PM PDT by paudio (MATH: 45<47)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why? To keep funding an expanding government, more welfare and company profits from expanding populations?


58 posted on 04/30/2025 7:31:36 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Organic Panic
It's not about the population size but rather the population pyramid.

Canada is already giving their elderly a hard time.

59 posted on 04/30/2025 7:33:52 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
For the life of me, I do not see the correlation as to how this is a blow to Elon Musk. He has an average of 3.75 children per baby mommas. That means he was right, and still is performing above par, and something tells me, that he has just begun to see the world's population growth even further.

We have a shortage of Elon's. 😋

60 posted on 04/30/2025 7:43:48 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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