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IRS firepower: Actions speak louder than words
American Thinker ^ | 26 Apr, 2025 | Jim Davis

Posted on 04/26/2025 8:56:31 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Why should the Internal Revenue Service have enough trained manpower, guns, and ammo to equip nine or ten infantry battalions?

Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) has revealed that employees of the Internal Revenue Service owe about $50 million in back taxes. The problem extends far beyond the IRS: In Fiscal Year 2021, the IRS found that 149,000 federal employees owed about $1.5 billion in unpaid taxes.

Let’s bear that in mind while looking at the amount of firepower the IRS can deploy. In 2020, they had 2,100 “special agents,” who carry firearms and are fully trained to use them. These are law enforcement officers against tax evaders.

They inventoried nearly 4,500 firearms, including 15 “submachine guns” (probably M-16 or M-4 automatic rifles) and 539 long-barreled guns (presumably AR-15s and a few semi-auto shotguns). They also had 5 million rounds of ammo, which should be more than enough.

Starting in January 2021, the POC/LGBTQ committee that was operating Joe Biden like a Muppet started accumulating a much larger arsenal for the IRS. The budget line for more guns and ammo totaled over $10 million over the next three years.

Then the Muppeteers asked for an expansion of the IRS by 85,000 employees. Certainly that number included several thousand special agents.

Let me help with the math on this: They wanted enough trained manpower, guns, and ammo to equip nine or ten infantry battalions. If they added some artillery, that’s an entire division.

Remember, we’re talking about an agency whose weapons of choice should be calculators and Excel spreadsheets. There are only a few dozen law enforcement agencies in the world with that kind of firepower that are not Chinese, including the FBI, DEA, ATF, and U.S. Marshals.

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To: MtnClimber

Maybe Trump can issue 100 round boxes of ammo with refunds.


21 posted on 04/26/2025 9:59:59 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: MtnClimber

Confiscate their weapons and ammo and sell it off to the public. The same goes for several other federal agencies that are not law enforcement agencies.


22 posted on 04/26/2025 10:00:10 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: ryderann

See 20. There is a veterans preference for IRS hiring, but it extends to all positions, not just special agents, who are recruited from within. IIRC.


23 posted on 04/26/2025 10:01:20 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Antihero101607

Just think how many of our tax dollars are spent training and arming these IRS agents who do absolutely nothing for the benefit of American people and are only preparing to do us harm. DOGE, please recommend eliminating the entire program.


24 posted on 04/26/2025 10:11:23 AM PDT by Freee-dame ( )
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To: Freee-dame; Taxman

A national retail sales tax insted of the sadistic income tax would obviate the need for most of the IRS (and its army).


25 posted on 04/26/2025 10:22:16 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: MtnClimber; All
Thank you for referencing that article MtnClimber.

"Why should the Internal Revenue Service have enough trained manpower, guns, and ammo to equip nine or ten infantry battalions [emphasis added]?"


Regarding the armed IRS, ask Congress since the Constitution authorizes only Congress to arm an army.

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia [emphasis added], and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
And speaking of Congress, the states need to disarm the constitutionally undefined IRS by putting a stop to the very corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress's ongoing abuse of the 16th Amendment (direct taxes) by repealing those amendments.

The 16th Amendment especially is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for organized crime imo, that amendment also weakening our 4th Amendment protections imo.

We'll call the repeal amendment Trump's Boston Tea Party II Amendment.


26 posted on 04/26/2025 10:31:13 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: MtnClimber
Let's get serious for a moment. I know a retired senior IRS field agent.

If you actually think that, “....They inventoried nearly 4,500 firearms, including 15 “submachine guns” (probably M-16 or M-4 automatic rifles) and 539 long-barreled guns (presumably AR-15s and a few semi-auto shotguns)......” That 15 fully automatic submachine guns (along with a bunch of semi-automatic rifles) is what would be within a small army, I really don't know what kind of army you have been looking at.

My friend use to carry an M-1911 A1 when he went out into the field. Some of the scariest field visits he relayed were to “cash” junk yards to investigate their books as a field audit. He also told me stories of getting to train with a Thompson submachine gun, but that it was usually in a safe at the field office.

Do I think that the IRS has provided firearms to its employees as a “perk?” Yes, I think that far more probably have given firearms than is needed. Do I think that depending upon assignments that some IRS agents should be armed? Yes. Do I think that any IRS field agent that might need a firearm should be trained to a high level of proficiency? Absolutely.

Should the IRS be required to explain it ammo purchases? Yes. Should there be greater oversight on which IRS agents should be authorized to carry weapons and the types of weapons? Absolutely. Do I think that the IRS field agents should all be stripped of weapons? No.

Do I think that this article posted is probably not well thought out and fear mongering? Yes. Even game wardens are armed these days, to say nothing of all the CCL licenses.

27 posted on 04/26/2025 11:02:58 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: MtnClimber

How many elected members of Congress owe back taxes?


28 posted on 04/26/2025 11:21:34 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: Robert357
I don't disagree with your post. There are IRS duties that are dangerous. It is just that the government has been weaponized against law abiding citizens, especially conservatives. And why does every Federal Government agency have heavily armed SWAT teams (like Department of Education, EPA, NASA, Postal Service, Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service?

I think it is to protect their own power. They don't think that they work for the citizens.

29 posted on 04/26/2025 11:30:02 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: ridesthemiles
How many elected members of Congress owe back taxes?

The two-tiered system is not just in the judiciary. The IRS does not seem interested in Hunter Biden (or how Joe Biden, Nazi Pelosi or Chuck Schumer got so rich). But look at how they went after Trump and his family...for what?

30 posted on 04/26/2025 11:37:27 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

because they know one day, the masses are going to say no...


31 posted on 04/26/2025 11:39:27 AM PDT by sit-rep (START DEMANDING INDICTMENTS NOW!!!!!)
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To: MtnClimber

terminating the bureau will take care of this danger


32 posted on 04/26/2025 11:43:12 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: BipolarBob

So, is the IRS getting notified of all transactions over $600?


33 posted on 04/26/2025 11:55:46 AM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: MtnClimber

I am still fighting a mystery $6500 bill the IRS sent me in 2020. They can’t, or won’t, say why it is owed but if I didn’t pay I would be arrested. So I paid and now have to fight it. Maybe I will get it back but doubtful. Meanwhile, it looks as if the whole damned corrupt IRS “rank and file” don’t need to pay their taxes. Scumbags, the lot of them.


34 posted on 04/26/2025 12:27:47 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: MtnClimber

Employees of the Internal Revenue Service owe about $50 million in back taxes.

Well that explains a lot about the guns.


35 posted on 04/26/2025 12:39:48 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: MtnClimber

IRS weapons training...

An IRS agent who was allegedly shot dead by his coworker following a training session called his accused shooter ‘an effing idiot’ in his final words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14333709/irs-agent-killed-training-patrick-bauer-larry-edward-brown-jr.html

A jury found a federal agent not guilty on Wednesday in the 2023 shooting death of a fellow agent after a training exercise in Phoenix.

https://www.azfamily.com/2025/02/19/irs-agent-found-not-guilty-shooting-death-fellow-agent-phoenix/


36 posted on 04/26/2025 5:07:06 PM PDT by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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To: coloradan; Freee-dame; Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; ...

How right you are!

FAIRtax ping!

https://www.fairtax.org


37 posted on 04/26/2025 6:35:13 PM PDT by Taxman (MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! SUPPORT THE FAIRTAX!)
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To: MtnClimber

Do Jesse and Al still owe back taxes?


38 posted on 04/26/2025 6:39:08 PM PDT by Taxman (MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! SUPPORT THE FAIRTAX!)
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To: MtnClimber
I agree with you that the Dept of Education does not need a SWAT team. Again, this is about the IRS and only the IRS. I don't think that 15 submachine guns is a military style level of armament.

As for TVA, I understand that. I have been involved in the nuclear power industry for many, many decades. The last time I visited a major power reactor, I was surprised by the entry into the facility prior to my inspection. There was a fenced zig-zag “kill zone” prior to getting inside the buildings between guard towers. Inside the spent fuel building there was netting on the ceilings to prevent grenades from being thrown. There were shooting stations in some of the interior hallways. The someone took the potential threat of a terrorist attack, extremely seriously.

Yes, agencies have been weaponized, but most of the weapon of choice is lawsuits and not approving valid requests. I think far too many firearms are being handed out to federal employees as perks and not based on need.

39 posted on 04/26/2025 6:44:59 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: FLT-bird

Hear, Hear!!


40 posted on 04/27/2025 5:31:28 AM PDT by OKSooner (Oh, the mad fools!)
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