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Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is boasting on the front page of The Wall Street Journal that, “Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea.
TruthSocial ^ | 4/23/25 | Trump

Posted on 04/23/2025 10:16:09 AM PDT by JoSixChip

TRUMP: Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is boasting on the front page of The Wall Street Journal that, “Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea. There’s nothing to talk about here.” This statement is very harmful to the Peace Negotiations with Russia in that Crimea was lost years ago under the auspices of President Barack Hussein Obama, and is not even a point of discussion. Nobody is asking Zelenskyy to recognize Crimea as Russian Territory but, if he wants Crimea, why didn’t they fight for it eleven years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired? The area also houses, for many years before “the Obama handover,” major Russian submarine bases. It’s inflammatory statements like Zelenskyy’s that makes it so difficult to settle this War. He has nothing to boast about! The situation for Ukraine is dire — He can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country. I have nothing to do with Russia, but have much to do with wanting to save, on average, five thousand Russian and Ukrainian soldiers a week, who are dying for no reason whatsoever. The statement made by Zelenskyy today will do nothing but prolong the “killing field,” and nobody wants that! We are very close to a Deal, but the man with “no cards to play” should now, finally, GET IT DONE. I look forward to being able to help Ukraine, and Russia, get out of this Complete and Total MESS, that would have never started if I were President!


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KEYWORDS: beggarofkiev; greengrifter; littledictator; moveon; stopwastingyourtime; tarbaby; trump; zestinky
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To: butterdezillion
Right. Some people are too important to die. Only the little people have to die.

Yes, its called modern warfare, armies protect their generals and countries protect their leadership.

Donald Trump took a bullet to the ear so he could serve the American people.

Yes, but in any US conflict we would never send President Trump directly into combat.

61 posted on 04/23/2025 10:59:12 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: pierrem15
It's ironic how many of you, and apparently Trump as well, still share the neocon belief that the US is the "indispensable country."

What an odd thing to say. I don’t know anyone who believes this.

I’m perfectly content to let all of Europe drain their sovereign wealth funds to pursue whatever agenda they think is important.

62 posted on 04/23/2025 10:59:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The gallows wait for martyrs whose papers are in order.")
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To: rlmorel

They’ve successfully held off the “second army in the world” for over three years. At the current rate of advance, Russia should reach the Dnipro near Kiev around 2100.


63 posted on 04/23/2025 11:00:35 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

Trump is offering peace. They can take it or leave it.

That’s the only thing he was ever going to be able to do. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.


64 posted on 04/23/2025 11:01:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Pikachu_Dad

A disaster in Ukraine by the will of Zelensky is no reflection on Trump whatsoever.


65 posted on 04/23/2025 11:02:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: pierrem15

I thought the joke was “backed by the EU”.

I am not disparaging the Ukrainians pressed into service who are fighting for their lives.


66 posted on 04/23/2025 11:02:52 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A people that elect corrupt politicians are not victims...but accomplices." George Orwell)
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To: tlozo
Is this a lasting peace or just a pause for Russian rearmament before Putins next invasion?

Well which is it? Putin is weak and his army is riding donkey and fighting with shovels? Or he’s going to roll over Europe and kill all the dumb pollocks with those same donkey riding shovel swingers?

67 posted on 04/23/2025 11:02:55 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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To: Alberta's Child

Many posting here seem to believe that Ukraine will collapse if the US walks away. That certainly does not appear to be the case.


68 posted on 04/23/2025 11:03:29 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: tlozo

At what point does a real leader consider his people anything but cannon fodder?

Zelensky’s people kidnap teenagers and send them off to war. They send the mentally handicapped to be cannon fodder.

Zelensky is willing to die to the last man except himself and his wife. Very noble.


69 posted on 04/23/2025 11:05:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: pierrem15

“Ukraine will collapse if the US walks away. That certainly does not appear to be the case.”

Exactly right—now the U.S. can reposition its troops back home. Europe is fully capable of handling it.


70 posted on 04/23/2025 11:06:01 AM PDT by DEPcom (DC is not my Capitol after Jan 6th lock downs.)
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To: butterdezillion
The terms Trump is offering are tantamount to capitulation, for example, making formal recognition of Russia's annexation of Crimea in exchange for almost nothing and no security guarantees.

Not having been defeated in the field, the Ukrainians have no desire to capitulate.

71 posted on 04/23/2025 11:06:34 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: JoSixChip

If Putin wanted peace he would pull his troops back home and stop killing civilians.

Obama has no right to determine who controls another country.

Trump is saying Ukraine should give up Crimea and you know it.

Ukraine did not have a big enough military when Russia invaded Crimea. And you see now that after 3 years of trying to take over Ukraine, Russians are not strong enough. Russia has hardly any tanks left. They are using Motor cycles to attack Ukraine and donkeys to deliver supplies to their troops.


72 posted on 04/23/2025 11:07:46 AM PDT by POGO163
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To: pierrem15
"Trump has effectively removed any US leverage."

USA never had leverage to begin with. Supplying zelensky
with cash and weapons only prolonged the inevitable.

Bail out now please, President Trump.

73 posted on 04/23/2025 11:10:05 AM PDT by chief lee runamok ( Le Flâneur @Large)
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To: butterdezillion

The bozo is on here constantly screeching about how much he loves The Ukraine.

He should suit up and go over.


74 posted on 04/23/2025 11:10:15 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: pierrem15

Many adults have never actually entered into, conducted, and then successfully concluded, a negotiation of any real importance.

Does this describe you?

Because it looks as if it does.


75 posted on 04/23/2025 11:10:17 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: JoSixChip
Negotiations with Zelensky are like breaking up with a psycho mistress whose drinking issues have gotten out of control and who has been spending you into the ground.

You tell here that you are breaking up and she starts throwing the fine china and 20 year old bottles of fine aged scotch at you and threatens to go public with the affair, murder her kids who are not even yours and then commit suicide to ruin your life and reputation if you don't relent.

The situations sucks but she is your mistress and you knew she was crazy from the start so you have no one to blame but yourself.

Unfortunately , Sugar Daddy Biden has flown the coop and now we have to deal with the threats, drama and tantrums of his mistress.

Trump is trying to be the stand up guy who gets her into rehab to dry out and then figures out a way that she can support herself afterwards.

But she is set on the murder/suicide plan to show you who is boss.

The whole situation is crazy absurd and she was never all that hot and never worth the effort to begin with

76 posted on 04/23/2025 11:10:40 AM PDT by rdcbn1 (TV )
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To: pierrem15

have at it then. If recognizing that your ground has been taken is unacceptable then go ahead and keep fighting.

But you’ll do it without any of the help you’ve had in holding your ground up to this point.

Good luck and may the last man standing have a big party on top of the rubble and dead bodies.


77 posted on 04/23/2025 11:11:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Alberta's Child
--- "the neocon belief that the US is the 'indispensable country.' What an odd thing to say. I don’t know anyone who believes this.

But.... but.... Democrat Madeleine Albright coined the phrase in the Clinton years. She served -- pardon the word play, for it is a laughable image -- under him. And then....

"Biden noted that he is not just running a campaign, stating, 'I run the world. It might sound like an exaggeration, but it's not; we are the country at the center of the world'."

Joe Biden mixes up the years: "I'll defeat Trump in 2020" A News, 6 July 2024

Some on this thread want to make President Trump change his oft-stated "Biden's war" into "my" war.

As some contest notions on these threads, it is fascinating to watch "necon" and "neolib" conflate with war enthusiam. Sometimes, as in Ukraine. Sometimes not, as in the Sudan war.

But then there's that $37 trillion in national debt, which is so conveniently not a part of many enthusiasms for "send/spend more money."

78 posted on 04/23/2025 11:11:35 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: POGO163

“Ukraine did not have a big enough military when Russia invaded Crimea. And you see now that after 3 years of trying to take over Ukraine, Russians are not strong enough. Russia has hardly any tanks left. They are using Motor cycles to attack Ukraine and donkeys to deliver supplies to their troops.”

You’re right—Ukraine doesn’t need U.S. involvement to win the war. The U.S. can now bring its troops in Europe back home and shift focus toward reducing the national debt. Our finances are stretched thin.


79 posted on 04/23/2025 11:13:02 AM PDT by DEPcom (DC is not my Capitol after Jan 6th lock downs.)
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To: Arcadian Empire

In 3 years of fighting Russia has invaded only about a few hundred square miles. And Russia has been kicked out of Crimea for all intents and purposes.


80 posted on 04/23/2025 11:13:22 AM PDT by POGO163
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