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Is It Libel?

Posted on 04/16/2025 1:19:11 AM PDT by 7thson

President Trump has come out and said the "Maryland man" was a MS-13 terrorist gang-banger, an illegal alien from El Salvador, and was given an order to be deported, and that the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that the courts cannot interfere with the Executive Branch foreign policy decisions.

Marco Rubio has said the same thing.

Stephen Miller has said the same thing.

The President of El Salvador has basically said the same thing and that this man is not going to come back to the United States.

The media keeps saying this terrorist gang-banger is a "Maryland man" (basically a citizen), the Supreme Court ordered he be returned, that the administration admitted his deportation was a mistake, and he is not a terrorist gang-banger.

My question - is this libel or not?


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1 posted on 04/16/2025 1:19:11 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

The Supreme Court did not order the man returned. The Supreme Court ordered the administration to facilitate his return. Facilitating is a different word.


2 posted on 04/16/2025 1:24:34 AM PDT by Jonty30 (I can promise I can land any plane that is in the air, because gravity only moves in one direction.)
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To: 7thson

2 judges determined that he IS MS13 and could be deported. At that time, his own attorney said that returning him to El Salvador would get him killed by rival gang. How do you get killed by a rival gang, if you aren’t part of a gang yourself?


3 posted on 04/16/2025 1:45:52 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: 7thson

Francey Hakes explained it best
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/francey-hakes-newsmax-abrego-garcia/2025/04/15/id/1207054/

When he was arrested or picked up in 2019, he had an immigration hearing. Lots of people are yelling online and on television that he hasn’t received any due process. And that is a complete lie, because he did get the due process to which illegal aliens are entitled,” Hakes said. “And at that hearing, the judge found that the evidence presented by DHS was credible, that he was a member of MS-13, which also made him deportable.

“Now, after that, he got an appeal. So that’s the second bit of due process that he got. He got appellate level … judge panel to look at his case and to agree with the initial federal judge who found that he was deportable,” Hakes added, setting up Abrego Garcia’s biggest problem.

“Now, when he went to court, the judge, however, had some sympathy for his claim that if he were sent back to El Salvador, he might face violence from a rival gang. Now, what I’ve read, Greta, suggests that what that means is, if he was worried about violence from a rival gang in El Salvador, that he’s effectively admitting he’s part of a gang himself,” Hakes said.

“And now that President Trump has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization, he’s no longer entitled to that withholding of the deportation that a judge in some sympathy gave him in 2019 because he was no longer entitled to claim asylum,” she added.
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4 posted on 04/16/2025 1:48:43 AM PDT by griswold3 (Truth Beauty and Goodness)
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To: 7thson

“Maryland Man” is the legacy media’s version of completely illegal alien in their ‘style guide.’

Whenever I see or hear of some ‘Maryland Man’ who has been here working, contributing, etc. I think of the futures that he’s been stealing from my grandchildren.

I don’t care about their stories, what they dreamed of or worked for or whatever. I consider them thieves and I want them gone out of my country. There are too many other honest, hard working people out there in the world standing in line and waiting their turns.


5 posted on 04/16/2025 2:02:14 AM PDT by Gaffer (i)
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To: griswold3

WHY should we care that a murderer might have to face consequences from his enemies in his HOME country????

Just like the woman who came here illegally and expected us to support her and her spawn for eternity because she was scared of her husband, a policeman - WE ARE NOT THE WORLD’S CARETAKERS.

I am just SICK of these parasites - who have NO worth to EVER contribute A N Y T H I N G to America except to foment hatred and to suckle Americans to DEATH.


6 posted on 04/16/2025 2:28:04 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 7thson

Maryland man is having a nice spring break.
I think the El Salvos should charge him and try him for something.


7 posted on 04/16/2025 2:29:14 AM PDT by Palio di Siena (Kralik…..you get the wallet)
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To: 7thson

Who is supposedly libeled by whom? And what is the libel?


8 posted on 04/16/2025 2:40:19 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: griswold3

Thank you.


9 posted on 04/16/2025 2:42:46 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Rockingham
Thank you for allowing me to clarify my remarks. I used the wrong term. Not libel, but slander. Basically, I would think the slander would be the various network media slandering various Executive branch officials by implying they are lying, thus calling them liars.

I hope that clears it up.

10 posted on 04/16/2025 2:47:46 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: griswold3

Thank you for that informative post. So he has received due process. Twice! Not that I would have known that from the media reports.

My 20-something daughter was listening to some older women lamenting that this guy was sent packing without due process. She thought to herself “What hypocrites. He came into the country without “due process” and they are just fine with that. But now they are complaining that he doesn’t have it when he leaves.”


11 posted on 04/16/2025 2:48:02 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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To: 7thson
yes it is and the reason it keeps happening is because NOTHING is done about ANYTHING.

If demorats started seeing their own perp walked for the thousands of crimes being exposed, they would back off and be obedient silent waiting for their possible time before the courts.


12 posted on 04/16/2025 2:56:17 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: 7thson
Libel and slander are both civil wrongs and are two forms of defamation, written and spoken, respectively. Under a Supreme Court precedent from the 1960s, New York Times v. Sullivan, the news media and the public at large have diminished liability for defamation against public officials and other public figures.

To win a defamation case, a plaintiff who is a defamed public official or other public figure must now show not just that the claim sued on was damaging and wrong on the facts, but that there was a knowing or reckless disregard for the truth by the defendant. In practice, that makes for a difficult case for plaintiffs. Most just take their lumps and blast back at their accusers.

13 posted on 04/16/2025 3:03:57 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Jonty30

The Supreme Court did not order the man returned. The Supreme Court ordered the administration to facilitate his return. Facilitating is a different word.

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Then send the gang banger an airline ticket to facilitate his return. Springing him from jail is much more than a facilitation.


14 posted on 04/16/2025 4:00:52 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: 7thson

Fake news keeps repeating the words “Maryland Man”
I do not think it means what they think it means

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means


15 posted on 04/16/2025 4:19:55 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: 7thson

Can he produce a verifiable birth certificate?

This is a “maryland man” as much as obama is a “hawaiian man”


16 posted on 04/16/2025 4:45:59 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: 7thson

Get your facts straight - then ask the question....


17 posted on 04/16/2025 5:27:13 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: 7thson
The liberal media has this illegal dirt-bag ‘Maryland Man’ up for a father of the year award. A throwback to the Obama era
of describing a typical Obama son type as someone who was on the verge of turning his life around.
18 posted on 04/16/2025 6:50:27 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: 7thson
Is It Libel? \/ . its propaganda and obama made THAT legal 42juqj ce9ud0 .
19 posted on 04/16/2025 8:28:02 AM PDT by cuz1961
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To: cuz1961

both the media and state and fed can legfally lie/propaganda thanks to obamanation...

until this is rectified

nothing will change.


20 posted on 04/16/2025 8:31:01 AM PDT by cuz1961
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