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I've been supportive of Trump's tariffs despite all these gloom and doom sob stories. However, this one has a slightly different twist:

"You can't produce coffee in the United States. There's no replacement."

So should we put have tariffs on products that can't be produced in the USA? I am thinking no, unless the supplier's country has predatory tariffs on us.

As we say here on FR, never accept the enemy's premise: "Coffee is commercially grown in two states in the US: Hawaii and California. Puerto Rico, which is a US territory, also has a thriving coffee industry. Experimental coffee growing projects are also occurring in Georgia and Santa Barbara, California." https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-states-grow-coffee.html Thought I remembered Hawaii coffee from Dirty Jobs.

1 posted on 04/12/2025 8:46:56 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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Kona coffee runs about $40 a pound.

It’s excellent, but very pricey.

Jamaican Blue Mountain is also outstanding.

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2 posted on 04/12/2025 8:48:53 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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Get out the pearls. If his prices have to go up a bit that is the way it has to be. The importer, the retailer & the customer will share the hit. These death and gloom pieces are psych ops.


3 posted on 04/12/2025 8:50:45 AM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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“So should we put have tariffs on products that can’t be produced in the USA?”

just raw materials should get tariff exemption

the beans might come in tariff free

ground coffee would not


4 posted on 04/12/2025 8:52:16 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Well, if your business model depends on unfair Tariffs, your business model is incorrect!

Now you have to adapt!

Adapt or die!


5 posted on 04/12/2025 8:52:55 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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Many things went up 30% to 100% or more under Biden.

I didn’t hear US companies attacking Biden incessantly.

When the PPACA was passed and personal health insurance premiums for millions went up by thousands of dollars annually per person, did the media incessantly bemoan it?


7 posted on 04/12/2025 8:55:55 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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The base line starting point, tariifs were supposed to fund the government.


10 posted on 04/12/2025 9:01:19 AM PDT by Cold Heart (It's a good time to be ashamed to be a democrat)
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My Google Chromebook has been sidelined by software changes.

Its physical hardware is still fine.

Why isn’t the media bemoaning software forced obsolescence?


11 posted on 04/12/2025 9:01:20 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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90,000 American factories closed and 5 million Americans lost their jobs when Clinton and Bush and Wall Street told us how much better off we’d be having junky Chinese stuff to buy


13 posted on 04/12/2025 9:02:18 AM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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US coffee roasters will not face a crisis - because every single participant will face the same same situation and same tax. No one supplier or roaster will have an advantage over any other.

Perhaps they may lose the marginal customer who will think “my morning cup of coffee I make at home now costs me $0.85 instead of $0.75, I will switch to something else.”

But tea will face the exact same thing also....

but otherwise, the whole industry, from the farmers in Columbia to Starbucks, will simply do some combination of absorbing the cost, or passing it on.


14 posted on 04/12/2025 9:03:25 AM PDT by PGR88
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Any coffee tariff will be negotiated with the individual country. The 10 % tariff may be short term.


16 posted on 04/12/2025 9:04:36 AM PDT by vaskypilot
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Higher paying jobs in manufacturing will easily afford slightly higher coffee prices.


17 posted on 04/12/2025 9:04:47 AM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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Coffee is a staple in the American economy, but coffee-shop coffee items are a luxury, albeit one that is bought by a fair number of Americans. Luxuries, especially imported luxuries, should expect to be impacted by tariffs.

(And I’m not immune: as a “chajin” I’ve been drinking matcha for four decades, since long before it became cool. I fully expect to have to pony up more yen for the green stuff.)


18 posted on 04/12/2025 9:06:19 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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EVEN IF it costs 10% more at the wholesale level, a one-time 10% or so adjustment as our nation’s trade gets an important overhaul is something many buyers will support.

It’s not like the cost of goods sold with untariffed sourcing hasn’t inflated over the past several decades. Consumers have paid the higher prices. The lines at Starbucks are unreal. Coffee is easy to obtain and brew. Fancy-schmancy frothy coffee drinks are now a common luxury.

Innovation and incentive will probably bring us a lot more American coffee, at lower locally grown coffee prices.


20 posted on 04/12/2025 9:07:09 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Even with tariffs my daily [home] espresso will never approach the $$ of the crap industry which so many ignoramuses support blindly to the detriment of their health.

Try again, blowhards, but I concede that simpletons will rave about this ‘inflation’.


21 posted on 04/12/2025 9:08:25 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Go coffee roasters!

9 out of 10 coffee grinders agree!

23 posted on 04/12/2025 9:13:04 AM PDT by x
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BTt


25 posted on 04/12/2025 9:15:38 AM PDT by nopardons
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These articles are your atypical sob story we have a 36 trillion dollar deficit would he rather have Trump install a 10 percent tariff or jack up business taxes 25 percent? Of course he’s from a small Wisconsin town making designer coffee the guy practically says I voted for Harris.


32 posted on 04/12/2025 9:43:25 AM PDT by Lod881019
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Wonderstate typically imports 40,000 pounds of coffee in one transaction.

Can’t be to fresh the aroma of fish lingers.

Tired of people trying to blame Trump and not the true cause getting shafted in trade deals.

He on the right track deal with it.


33 posted on 04/12/2025 9:46:34 AM PDT by Vaduz
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What he's really saying is that he needs to raise his price and he doesn't want to do that. If he imports 40,000 lbs of beans in one order, and the price is $4/lb, he pays $160,000 for beans. Because the demand for beans is elastic, a 10% tariff will increase the price by less than 10%. However, for the sake of argument, let's say he bears the full brunt of the tariff. So now, he pays $176,000 for the beans. They sell roughly 10.5oz for $18. With a bean cost of $2.89 (10.5oz/16oz = .65625 of a pound x $4.40 = $2.89) per bag, that still leaves $15.11 to cover the cost of producing a bag of coffee. I find it hard to believe he can't roast, package, advertise, and sell one bag for under $15/bag. I'm not buying into this boo-hoo story.
36 posted on 04/12/2025 9:54:23 AM PDT by econjack
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They're growing their coffee in Wisconsin??? What is the growing season there? Like 2 weeks?

Omygosh. What have I done. Now I'm going to have 20 people FReepsplain to me how Wisconsin enjoys 500 days of sunshine a year and how coffee beans are impervious to frozen tundra. And who knows what other gems I'm about to learn.

37 posted on 04/12/2025 9:55:15 AM PDT by Texas Eagle ("Throw me to the wolves and I'll return leading the pack"- Donald J. Trump)
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