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Study casts doubt on gluten as cause of gut ailments among non-coeliacs
The Guardian ^ | 3/26/2025 | Donna Lu

Posted on 03/26/2025 10:03:27 PM PDT by logi_cal869

People who report being gluten intolerant but do not have coeliac disease may be experiencing gut symptoms unrelated to gluten intake, new research suggests.

A study involving individuals with self-reported gluten sensitivity has found that they experienced gut symptoms such as bloating and abdominal pain regardless of whether or not they consumed gluten.

Assoc Prof Jessica Biesiekierski of the University of Melbourne, one of the study’s senior authors, said the findings were significant in light of popular blame on gluten as a trigger for various symptoms.

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“Coeliac disease is a well-defined medical condition. It has a clear diagnostic pathway,” Biesiekierski said. For people with coeliac disease, a gluten-free diet is the only effective treatment option.

However, about 10% of the population self-report being gluten sensitive. “We’ve got this large number of people who are following a gluten-free diet, possibly unnecessarily,” Biesiekierski said.

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Individuals with gluten-sensitivity reported increased fatigue after both the gluten and placebo yoghurt compared to healthy controls. They also reported increased pain and bloating with both the gluten and gluten-free muffins.

Urine, blood and saliva samples taken for cortisol levels and markers of inflammation showed no differences after gluten ingestion.

“Participants continued to report gastrointestinal symptoms, but these symptoms didn’t appear to be specifically triggered by gluten,” Biesiekierski said. Researchers believe the response to gluten may be explained by a nocebo effect, the opposite of the placebo effect, in which a negative outcome results from an expectation that the treatment will be harmful.

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I'm laughing inside, but insensitively at FReepers' health, just the fad insanity.

The facts have been out there for YEARS; this is merely more affirmation.

But some will flame on. Bring it.

If you 'think' that GF makes you feel better, you have a gut problem (as noted in the article, 'non-coeliac gluten sensitivity', but merely as a symptom, not causation). Period. Seek a competent physician, not a fad 'diet'.

1 posted on 03/26/2025 10:03:27 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

More research on the cause of this woulb be good. I’m going to suspect its more plastics in the food processing system, but this is only an opinion.


2 posted on 03/26/2025 10:14:18 PM PDT by Bayard
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Many people today may be going GF for fad reasons. But I knew an engineer who had to go on disability because of gastric distress. The top hospital couldn't find the problem. They tested, and he didn't have Celiac disease. But another doctor put him on an elimination diet, and he had a different allergy to wheat. He wa so happy to have his life back.



One thing that's being ignored here is most of the wheat we have today is not the same as your great grandparents ate. It's ben bred many times, and not for health. People may have a much different reaction to modern wheat vs. heirloom wheat.

3 posted on 03/26/2025 10:16:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Bayard

Plastics, and many other factors from our processed food.


4 posted on 03/26/2025 10:17:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Bayard

The study which would tell the tale has never been performed:

Organic eaters vs. commercial eaters vs. processed eaters.

The results would indict the commercial food system, and the chemical giants who profit immensely from their products’ use.

Hence, it’s a study that will never be funded.

And denial will feed conspiracy theories seeded by those same chemical giants who seek to protect their profits.


5 posted on 03/26/2025 10:20:11 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

The Gluten era, another thing that I never could bring myself to look into what it was about.


6 posted on 03/26/2025 10:21:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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A relative was told she had coeliac by her doctor, and then she was told she did not. Then she was told she had it, and again, that she didn’t have it. It was an upheaval in her life to throw out the foods she normally ate and tried to learn how to eat for her condition. She died and it’s not clear if this mystery ailment was related.
However her husband’s health and that of her children seem to indicate that they do not tolerate the kind of folate added to dairy and grains as of 1998. Supposedly, ‘organic’ labeled grains and dairy do not have this synthetic version of folate. Then there’s advice to get ‘natural’ folate supplements if they cut out the synthetic folate in ‘fortified’ foods like bread, rice, dairy, nutritional yeast etc. They checked and found Dad’s daily vitamin had the synthetic type of folate - so out it went. They also started taking B-12, but not ‘cyanocobolmain’ (contains small amounts of cyanide) B-12, but the natural version.


7 posted on 03/26/2025 10:25:59 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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When my gut - and my overall health - was at its worst, I responded badly to processed flour products. Take your pick.

I discovered quickly that Bob’s Red Mill Whole Wheat did not impact me negatively at all. It was a watershed moment I tried to share...to no avail.

Any honest person will concede that the markets have responded to the fad ‘diet’ craze for reasons unrelated to health but rather to profits.

My own wife will gripe about gaining weight and her other health problems while touting her GF products. I can’t even convince her. It’s insanity.

I have been able to tolerate regular processed flour products without negative impact for a number of years due to restored gut health, but do so rarely.


8 posted on 03/26/2025 10:26:44 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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There are always ‘outliers’ - i.e., genetic variables - but the fact remains that less than 1% of physicians understand anything tangible about the gut. That goes for specialists, too.

I’ve encouraged for over a decade that people seek out Naturopaths - who happen to also offer consultation services online.

Orthodox MDs are completely worthless when it comes to complex health issues, e.g., the gut. There are exceptions, but they are RARE.

Most people have never heard of Orian Truss (but one example of conditions not acknowledged by orthodox medicine, even to this day, and happened to be my silver bullet); it’s a great story.


9 posted on 03/26/2025 10:32:53 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To be clear, comment 1 was supposed to read,

I'm laughing inside, not insensitively at FReepers' health, just the fad insanity.

10 posted on 03/26/2025 10:34:26 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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It's probably because Bob's Red Mill use an heirloom wheat.

Did you ever do an elimination diet?

11 posted on 03/26/2025 11:09:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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I’ve encouraged for over a decade that people seek out Naturopaths - who happen to also offer consultation services online.

You are right. (Actual Naturopathic Physicians vs. people who just call them Naturopaths. Especially if they went to Bastyr.)

I took a relative to one, and she was a wizard. She was big picture. Even though we came to her about cognitive issues, she started with big picture issues. She was right about things the MDs missed. This doctor blew my mind.

Unfortunately she relocated. I didn't have enough to pay her out of pocket myself, but I was planning to.

12 posted on 03/26/2025 11:12:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I did and avoided some foods while healing my gut.

No residual sensitivities whatsoever.


13 posted on 03/26/2025 11:14:44 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Great job.

Did you work with an ND?

14 posted on 03/26/2025 11:17:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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I had systemic candida. Holy cow, did that mess me up for a few years. Gastric issues, swollen joints, chronic fatigue, weight gain, migranes that lasted for months...it was brutal.

Yeast allergy, some medications, pregnancy, and diet can all contribute to candida running amok.

None of the doctors could figure out what was happening.

Finally found a doctor that said it was related to food. Gave me a $16 bottle of system cleanse and put me on a candida diet.

In 3 days, all my symptoms went away. In 3 months, I was back down to 120 lbs. and felt amazing.

I cheat every now and then; I love mozzarella, homemade baked goods, homemade chimichangas, and sweet tea. Otherwise, I go for the approved foods on my diet, eat healthy, and, until COVID screwed me over, lived well and looked great.

Stay away from Frankenfood.


15 posted on 03/26/2025 11:25:49 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (🇺🇸✝️🙏🇮🇱)
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A study involving individuals with self-reported gluten sensitivity has found that they experienced gut symptoms such as bloating and abdominal pain regardless of whether or not they consumed gluten.

Then it ain't celiac.

16 posted on 03/26/2025 11:33:56 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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Correlation is not causation, until its been
correlated hundreds of times under various situations.

A bagel will screw my wife up almost immediately.

No bread or pasta....shes fine.

Monsanto and other crap they do to our grain is highly suspect. I only eat non-gmo organic wheat now.


17 posted on 03/26/2025 11:40:57 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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The problem I’ve had trying to find a naturopath is finding one that doesn’t charge +10K UP FRONT for treatment that doesn’t include you paying for all the expensive teats and high priced supplements.

And no guarantees they’ll help.


18 posted on 03/26/2025 11:40:57 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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That is a lot. The one I was talking about was $900/ appointment, but maybe it went down eventually.

I get it, they have to pay all their overhead and everything.

There is no guarantee any doctor will help. But the good NDs I have talk to will listen more to your problem, and not give you a cookie cutter answer. The great ones look at the big picture, and try to treat the underlying problem, not just the system.

Personally, I recommend searching for one that went to Bastyr: https://bastyr.edu/practitioner.

19 posted on 03/27/2025 12:10:37 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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Bullshit. I am celiacs; so go fuck yourselves. It’s no f’ing picnic. GTHMOFO


20 posted on 03/27/2025 12:13:02 AM PDT by Migraine
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