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Fact Finders: Can you shoot down a drone? Here’s why you don’t have the right to interfere with the flight of an aircraft.
KY3 ^ | January 15, 2025 | Paul Adler

Posted on 03/22/2025 7:45:57 AM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: Openurmind

I’d opt for some sort of jammer..
Prove I jammed it and it did not have a malfunction..

Then. Is there a law against stepping on it when it lands in my yard?

And then confronting the operator when they try to collect?

Or refusing to let him on your property? Or giving it back?


41 posted on 03/22/2025 10:29:11 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: DoodleBob

I’ve found drone are more easily swatted with GPS spoofing. It’s fun to watch.


42 posted on 03/22/2025 10:35:22 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91. )
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To: BitWielder1

“It could be a perfectly legitimate use, like surveying, search & rescue, tracking…”

Real estate agents sometimes use them for aerial photos of their listings, or to make up samples for homeowners to show how they market their listings.


43 posted on 03/22/2025 10:42:21 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE fSPEECH! )
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To: Openurmind

Nice. Do you know the range?


44 posted on 03/22/2025 10:48:06 AM PDT by CodeToad ( )
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To: uranium penguin

“I’d opt for some sort of jammer..”

Maybe bad spark plug wires?

the big difference is civilian craft or LE/Military craft. Unfortunately they are RF hardening Law Enforcement drones just like the Military does.

And while there might be some states that have laws against peeping tom drones, so far no courts have ruled against Law Enforcement peeping where and when they like without a warrant. Airspace over and even around your house is considered public property by Law Enforcement. There are no privacy or warrant restraints on LE and they can do what they like including look in your windows if they like. Not one judge will ever rule against them having unrestricted use. And our “well trained society” will just say “Yes! please peep in my windows to keep me safe!” so be ready for this violation of privacy rights to become common place.

My question would be... If paying taxes on “private Property” that is not truly considered Private Property but considered Public Property then why am I paying taxes? If it is considered public then let the public pay the taxes. If not, then paying taxes should at least buy you non-public legal privacy rights from everyone including LE.


45 posted on 03/22/2025 11:01:23 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: CodeToad

As a guess I would say probably 50-75 yards before the line drag slows it and it starts to drop. Apparently they can be used through a Modified Choke so that extends the range a bit. And a rifled choke/slug barrel a little further of course.

Looks like they claim 300 ft... But they are available through other vendors in smaller quantities. I think they could be a very effective self defense round too... Imagine that outcome... :)

https://www.lesslethal.com/product-specifications?task=document.viewdoc&id=11


46 posted on 03/22/2025 11:13:33 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: DugwayDuke

no air rights?


47 posted on 03/22/2025 11:14:48 AM PDT by joshua c
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To: bigbob

Drivers licenses are issued by the states....
Ya know...
All powers not specifically granted to the fed are reserved for the states and the people respectively...or something to that effect


48 posted on 03/22/2025 11:16:50 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: DugwayDuke
You do not own the airspace above your property.

Actually, you do.

Up to 400 feet in most parts of the US.

49 posted on 03/22/2025 11:17:06 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: crz

I never implied that..
On the contrary if the fed didn’t claim this power, as it was not specifically granted to them in that pesky constitution thingie, you would be free to shoot it down


50 posted on 03/22/2025 11:18:31 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
You not only can shoot them down if they are over your property and below 400 feet but you can sue the nasty little peeping tom for privacy violations.

Do you have a cite for the rule or law that allows you to shoot down a drone over your property if it's below 400 feet?

Under FAA regulations concerning radio control model aircraft, which is essentially what a drone is, they may not fly above 400 feet. So, there's that.

See: PART 107—SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS

§ 107.51 Operating limitations for small unmanned aircraft.

A remote pilot in command and the person manipulating the flight controls of the small unmanned aircraft system must comply with all of the following operating limitations when operating a small unmanned aircraft system:

(a) The groundspeed of the small unmanned aircraft may not exceed 87 knots (100 miles per hour).

(b) The altitude of the small unmanned aircraft cannot be higher than 400 feet above ground level, unless the small unmanned aircraft:

(1) Is flown within a 400-foot radius of a structure; and

(2) Does not fly higher than 400 feet above the structure's immediate uppermost limit.

(c) The minimum flight visibility, as observed from the location of the control station must be no less than 3 statute miles. For purposes of this section, flight visibility means the average slant distance from the control station at which prominent unlighted objects may be seen and identified by day and prominent lighted objects may be seen and identified by night.

(d) The minimum distance of the small unmanned aircraft from clouds must be no less than:

(1) 500 feet below the cloud; and

(2) 2,000 feet horizontally from the cloud.

51 posted on 03/22/2025 11:50:41 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: DoodleBob

Discharging firearms may be prohibited, but high power air rifles are not.
usual verbiage is the pellet must stay on your property, not go across roads, etc.

A good .22 air rifle packs as much punch as some .22 firearms and would ventilate a drone nicely.
They can be made very quiet as well, My neighbors never know when i am out shooting. Pellet hitting the target is louder than the discharge.


52 posted on 03/22/2025 12:00:44 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Your oath of enlistment has no expiration date)
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To: DugwayDuke
You do not own the airspace above your property.

Airspace starts 400 ft above the ground.

If a drone is hovering at less than 400 ft above your property: Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

If someone comes with proof that you shot it, claim: "It looked like a buzzard to me!"

Regards,

53 posted on 03/22/2025 12:06:16 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: whitney69

Understood; I was referring to civilian, emergency, police, etc.

Should have made that clear, my bad.


54 posted on 03/22/2025 12:08:23 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: alexander_busek

Vultures are federally protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918


55 posted on 03/22/2025 12:09:58 PM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Up to 400 feet in most parts of the US.

Not true.

FAA regulations establish that public airspace starts at 500' above uncongested areas and 1,000' otherwise.

In 1946 in the case of the United States v. Causby, a large military aircraft flew 83 feet above a farmer’s land startling his chickens, causing them to kill themselves by flying into walls. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the farmer. So we are at least entitled to 83 feet.

The rule is that the landowner(s) owns not only as much of the space above the ground as they occupies but also as much thereof as they may use in connection with the land. However, this right is not fixed. It varies with the varying needs and is coextensive with them.

56 posted on 03/22/2025 12:10:22 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: DoodleBob
Are airports required to tolerate drones being flown by outside individuals, less than 400 ft above ground? No? Then why am I required to tolerate it? Why should I not be allowed to exercise as much authority over my property as an airport (incl. general aviation airports) does?

Regards,

57 posted on 03/22/2025 12:11:25 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: OldHarbor
Vultures are federally protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918

I said that it looked like a buzzard, to me.

If you want to prosecute me under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918, then show me the carcass of the protected migratory bird I shot at.

Regards,

58 posted on 03/22/2025 12:15:21 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
If a drone is hovering at less than 400 ft above your property: Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

If you refer to my post #51 you'll see that current FAA regulations limit sUAS (drones) to a maximum of 400 feet AGL.

If you refer to my post #56 you'll see that USSC precedent says that you only own up to 83 feet and that public airspace begins at no less than 500 feet AGL.

Technically, a drone operator is allowed to fly over your property anywhere between 83' and 400'.

Further, it is illegal to shoot at any aircraft, be it manned or unmanned.

59 posted on 03/22/2025 12:17:29 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Is true.

Sorry.

Just try to float things over your neighbors house and see what happens.

60 posted on 03/22/2025 12:25:38 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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