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What happened to the news about the "Autopen" and biden pardons being invalid? (My title)
03/20/2025 | Self

Posted on 03/20/2025 9:02:40 AM PDT by know.your.why

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To: discostu

If someone who has access to your house steals your checkbook—cashes a bunch of checks in your name—and then returns the checkbook to the proper place in your house...

It is OK, right?

It was your checkbook after all!

You would be a fool to complain about it.

Lol.


41 posted on 03/20/2025 10:03:35 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: cgbg
I have seen the procedure used and documented in Florida state government elected offices at the highest level. Each President is free to alter the details, but some sort of logbook style documentation is always necessary to protect the integrity of the signature as valid. If that is dispensed with, a Presidential autopen signature could be challenged and probably defeated based on the lack of documentation or persuasive direct witness testimony.
42 posted on 03/20/2025 10:06:41 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Good post—gets to the heart of the issue here.

Let us see what the White House procedure was under the last administration.


43 posted on 03/20/2025 10:13:46 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: know.your.why

So many people believe that one man and his cabinet picks can turn the tide of decades of abuse in under ninety days. So many things are out of their control. They don’t even know where all their enemies lurk.


44 posted on 03/20/2025 10:24:51 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: know.your.why

3 of the pardons were for cop killers.

1 pardon was for a man that killed an 8 year old child and its mother to prevent her from testifying in court.

Biden, for all his faults, would not have knowing issued those pardons. For most of his career he was considered a “tough on crime” politician

I think this is the smoking gun that, for at least some instances, someone else was running executive orders and pardons trough the autopen without Biden’s knowlege.


45 posted on 03/20/2025 10:25:36 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Ted Cruz said Jan. 6 was terrorism; don't forget that the next time you vote.)
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foxnews.com
3/18/25
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An autopen is a device that physically holds a pen and is programmed to replicate a person’s signature. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel determined in 2005 that the president is permitted to use an autopen to sign bills into law, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit issued a ruling in February that said the absence of “a writing does not equate to proof that a commutation did not occur.”

“The constitutional text is thus silent as to any particular form the President’s clemency act must take to be effective,” the circuit court said in its opinion.

Trump raised the issue of Biden utilizing an autopen to sign pardons — including some for lawmakers who served on the House Select Committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Capitol riot — in a social media post on Sunday. Trump claimed in the post that the pardons were “VOID” and accused Biden of not having knowledge of their signing.

“In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime,” Trump said in his post.

A spokesperson for Biden did not provide comment on the record to Fox News Digital.


46 posted on 03/20/2025 10:35:48 AM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray...."Our Father, who art in heaven......";s )
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Is an autopen a real signature?
Unlike a regular electronic signature, which is just a digital photo of a real signature, autopens use a robotic arm with a pen attached to manually replicate a digitally-stored version of the signature.


Barron’s
https://www.barrons.com › articles › autopen-biden-pard...

How to tell if something is an auto pen?
Autopen signatures have a yellowing around them! ...
The Autopen always leaves a dot at the start and finish! ...
An Autopen signature never has any variation in line thickness. ...
Autopen signatures are always in felt tip pen. ...

Most of today’s TV and music stars use an Autopen to sign autographs.


47 posted on 03/20/2025 10:40:08 AM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray...."Our Father, who art in heaven......";s )
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To: Liz

Part of the “flood the zone” strategy is to raise so many ideas and options, some of them are just flashes in the pan, and the other side is at a complete loss as to what to do.


48 posted on 03/20/2025 10:43:56 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: cgbg

“That was a brilliant investigation you conducted.

The FBI is looking for coverup artists like you.”

I’m glad you liked it. Happy to provide my wisdom to people like yourself who struggle to discern conspiracy from reality.


49 posted on 03/20/2025 11:01:35 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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See post 41—glad to see you don’t fall for any of those crazy conspiracy theories.

Lol.


50 posted on 03/20/2025 11:04:29 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: cgbg

That is a different fact pattern than I suggested. Reading comprehension is really lacking in this thread. My contention is Biden will say he approved use of the pen and if that homeowner approved the use of those checks, it too would be a nothing burger.


51 posted on 03/20/2025 11:08:56 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: know.your.why

The way to set this up is to indict a pardoned nobody. Let them raise “pardon” as a defense to the indictment. Discovery ensues. Biden won’t have the fainest idea who this person is other than whatever he is told before his deposition. And, there won’t be any paper trail.


52 posted on 03/20/2025 11:11:04 AM PDT by anton
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To: know.your.why

It is probably true but not a hill to die on.
We have to fight for the future and balance that fight against the fight over the corrupt past.

There is just so much of both.


53 posted on 03/20/2025 11:17:06 AM PDT by right way right (“May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: cgbg

Except there’s no proof at all that anything remotely similar to that happened. Which is why this is a non-issue.


54 posted on 03/20/2025 11:25:58 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: ridesthemiles

I’ve shared this on several threads but my son ran the auto pen for a secretary under Trump’s first term. He would do a 2-3” stack of letters everyday for different inquires from around the federal government. Most letters were sourced by department lawyers and then signed using AP and it was considered a legal reply from the secretary himself.


55 posted on 03/20/2025 11:36:48 AM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: Mean Daddy

Was there a log entry for each autopen signature?


56 posted on 03/20/2025 11:45:06 AM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: know.your.why

This is perfect Surrender Monkey red meat. If they don’t see something every day they assume it is no longer happening.
They are forever the 6 year olds in the back of the car repeatedly asking ‘Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?”


57 posted on 03/20/2025 11:46:56 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: know.your.why

It’s been used by other presidents for a while. All Bidung has to do is to say he authorized it. Doesn’t matter if he did or not, he could say that, and that’s it.


58 posted on 03/20/2025 11:52:27 AM PDT by vpintheak (Screw the ChiComms! America first!)
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To: vpintheak

We had this discussion.

A Special Counsel has already ruled that Biden’s memory cannot be trusted.


59 posted on 03/20/2025 11:53:29 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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Oh, I know, but no one really cares. If they did something would be done. Kind of like Barry Zero’s birth certificate.


60 posted on 03/20/2025 12:51:23 PM PDT by vpintheak (Screw the ChiComms! America first!)
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