Posted on 02/23/2025 8:46:45 AM PST by BenLurkin
SAS soldiers are threatening to go ‘on strike’ if they are deployed to Ukraine unless they receive assurances they will not face future prosecution for using lethal force.
The rebellion follows a coroner’s court ruling that the Special Forces were not justified in using lethal force against four IRA members in a 1992 ambush, and on the back of an ongoing public inquiry into allied extrajudicial killings in Afghanistan.
Four Provisional IRA members were shot dead by British soldiers minutes after they had carried out a gun attack on Coalisland RUC station in February 1992, and on Thursday at Belfast Royal Courts of Justice, a coroner – who had previously ruled the soldiers did not have an honest belief in the necessity of using lethal force – referred the case to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Last night, senior defence sources said the SAS was facing the worst crisis in its history and called for the troops to be given the same legal protection against prosecution afforded to MI6 agents.
A defence source said: ‘We need a change in the law to give our Special Forces the full protection of the Crown – otherwise within a decade we will not have the SAS. Why should they go on to the frontline against Putin if this is hanging over them?
‘Morale is through the floor, blokes are leaving and the regiment is suffering. They are being forced to increase recruiting from the wider Army.
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If the Crown cannot protect its own agents defending the Crown, then the Crown is not the Crown. It's just a feeble old man worshipping trees.
As an official old guy, I was drafted in that lovely letter from Lyndon Baines Johnson, and recall with great disgust Robert McNamara's book tour cum apologia "after" the war. I was Army.
In which service did you serve?
People don’t remember that Canada dismantled their Canadian Airborne Regiment after some war crime issues in Somalia, it led me to join the Canadian Airborne Association as a form of support.
It’s not about outright war crimes, these SAS troopers ambushed a group of IRA operatives coming back from attacking an RUC station with heavy machine gun and AK74s and was ambushed by the SAS on the way back.
“was not planned and controlled in such a way as to minimise to the greatest extent possible the need for recourse to lethal force”.
Can you imagine rules like this being applied in a war zone? The IRA fancied themselves as soldiers fighting on the battlefield. In a war you destroy the enemy when the opportunity presents itself, you don’t mess about trying to arrest them when they are an armed threat.
Were you in the military when you were in Europe is what I was inquiring.
A service academy family member was assigned to the Fulda Gap in the 70s.
He took the Russian threat seriously, but then he expected 100 shells to fall on his position in the first hour.
Remember Idiot-in-Chief Obama's "rules of engagement?"
It was accurately assesed: "... true war-by-wonk, in which a deadly brew of lawyers, politicians, soldiers, and social scientists endeavors to fine-tune the use of military force...."
And I am inquiring. Were you in the military?
Yes, no or 'decline to state?'
The SAS went rogue in 2005 to rescue 2 of their own being held in Iraq.
The high command of the army and the Ministry of Defense had forbid the action but the SAS in Iraq formed up a raiding party of about 20 SAS and 40 paratroopers and conducted a complicated rescue mission anyway.
No, I wasn’t.
So what?
Then your previous questions to me on this thread deserved the same sort of response.
I think there’s going to be a change soon. And the “rules” of such things are about to scrapped completely. They’ve already been shredded pretty thoroughly.
You took it all wrong, dude. But that’s okay. Everybody’s grouchy on these threads.
During the mid 80s under Reagan the tension of the troops in the Fulda gap was obvious just looking at them, they knew that at any minute they would become the suicide speed bump trying to delay Russia for 1 to 3 days, and that they would suffer almost entire annihilation.
protection against prosecution afforded to MI6 agents.
The High Court ruled in December that spies operating on behalf of MI5 can kill in the line of duty without being prosecuted if they are able to persuade authorities that it was done in the public interest.
Noted.
Here is a wake-up call.
China has already setup migrant "camps" in Panama. Those "camps" are run by Chinese military staff on special volunteer assignments, and they are occupied by young, fighting-aged men. Non-Chinese persons are not allowed in these facilities. What is going on in these places?
Chinese operate the Panama Canal through shell companies and own critical support facilities at both ends of it.
Thus reports Michael Yon from his location in Panama.
I trust Michael Yon. I find these reports raise my hackles.
In addition, the Chinese are known to be supplying Mexican Cartels with precursor chemicals used to make Fentanyl and other narcotics for traffic into the United States.
There are unconfirmed indicators that the Cartels are getting arms through Chinese connections. That includes drones, RPGs, and possibly shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.
I hear alarm bells ringing somewhere.
Yep, and Trump is responding to these threats from China in a logical way.
Yes, I can’t imagine anything resembling Obama-style ROE surviving Hegseth. Wouldn’t be surprised if such things were already gone.
Perhaps if the SAS shout “Allahu Akbar” before applying lethal force, they would be immune from prosecution. (From the British and the ICC, at least.)
Currently watching the second season of "SAS: Rogue Heroes" on MGM+. Read the book by Ben Macintyre, which is about the forming of the unit in Egypt during WWII. The tv series is based on the book. Characters in the series are based on the men in the unit. In the second season the unit is sent to Italy.
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