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Rosenberg: How Putin and Trump shook up the world in a week
BBC News ^ | 2/19/2025 | Steve Rosenberg

Posted on 02/19/2025 11:45:29 AM PST by marcusmaximus

When he penned his eyewitness account of the 1917 Russian Revolution, American journalist John Reed famously titled it Ten Days That Shook The World.

But 10 days is too long for Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. They've shaken things up in a week.

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The Kremlin wants the Russian public and the international community to see that Western efforts to isolate Russia over the war in Ukraine have failed.

Russian media are welcoming the prospect of warmer ties with Washington and pouring scorn on European leaders and Kyiv.

"Trump knows he will have to make concessions [to Russia] because he is negotiating with the side that's winning in Ukraine," writes pro-Kremlin tabloid Moskovsky Komsomolets. "He will make concessions. Not at America's expense, but at the expense of Europe and Ukraine.

"For so long Europe had gone around all puffed up, thinking of itself as the civilised world and as a Garden of Eden. It failed to notice it had lost its trousers… now its old comrade across the Atlantic has pointed that out…"

On the streets of Moscow I don't detect that level of gloating. Instead, people are watching and waiting to see whether Trump will really turn out to be Russia's new best friend and whether he can bring an end to the war in Ukraine.

"Trump is a businessman. He's only interested in making money," Nadezhda tells me. "I don't think things will be any different. There's too much that needs to be done to change the situation."

"Perhaps those talks [in Saudi Arabia] will help," says Giorgi. "It's high time we stopped being enemies."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: bbc; donaldtrump; mi6; mi6propaganda; moskovskykomsomolets; putin; russia; steverosenberg; thedonald; theputin; thetrump; trump; ukraine; vladimirputin
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1 posted on 02/19/2025 11:45:29 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

“Trump is a businessman. He’s only interested in making money”

That mindset totally ignores what Trump has done over the past 10 years.


2 posted on 02/19/2025 11:49:20 AM PST by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: marcusmaximus

If people want to stop supporting Ukraine, fine. But treating Putin and Russia as anything other than scum sickens me.


3 posted on 02/19/2025 11:50:50 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: marcusmaximus

The second international socialist empire pushing communism and totalitarianism, the European Union, is going to get its ass kicked until it reforms.


4 posted on 02/19/2025 11:51:28 AM PST by wildcard_redneck ( )
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Yes, because Putin’s Russia is such a model of enlightened democracy, right?


5 posted on 02/19/2025 11:54:23 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
But treating Putin and Russia as anything other than scum sickens me.

It's called cognitive dissonance. Your strongly-held beliefs, assumptions and even fantasies, contradict with reality. It often can result in physical, and certainly mental, illness. That's why you are feeling ill.

6 posted on 02/19/2025 11:55:51 AM PST by PGR88
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It's called cognitive dissonance. Your strongly-held beliefs, assumptions and even fantasies, contradict with reality. It often can result in physical, and certainly mental, illness. That's why you are feeling ill.

Not enough dead Russians is what is making me feel ill.

7 posted on 02/19/2025 11:57:05 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Petrosius

Ukraine claims to be a democracy. Ukraine is well known as the most corrupt country in Europe. No wonder the Biden’s made deals with Ukraine. Easy money.


8 posted on 02/19/2025 11:59:10 AM PST by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: marcusmaximus

“Trump knows he will have to make concessions [to Russia]“

BS that is not it. Trump is doing classic mediating. Russia is the stronger side and the aggressor so you have to start with them. The author is a BBC hack.


9 posted on 02/19/2025 12:01:05 PM PST by iamgalt
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Crooked Biden’s made much more money in Ukraine than Russia. Don’t need to know anything more.


10 posted on 02/19/2025 12:01:38 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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Ukraine claims to be a democracy.

Is Russia a democracy? Ukraine had 5 different leaders in the time that Russia has had...1.

11 posted on 02/19/2025 12:02:49 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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Ukraine is as corrupt as the Biden’s, may be much more.


12 posted on 02/19/2025 12:06:52 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“Not enough dead Russians is what is making me feel ill.”

how vile


13 posted on 02/19/2025 12:07:16 PM PST by rod5591
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

You are finding the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of populism. There is no there there. The Kremlin’s populist useful fools not long ago worshiped Prigozhin. Now that he has been purged by Putin he has been airbrushed from their history. It’s as if he and the Wagner coup never existed.


14 posted on 02/19/2025 12:08:22 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Not enough dead Russians is what is making me feel ill.

Well, on the bright side maybe your hatred will make you so sick that you’ll die and we wont have to listen to you crying into your pillow all the time anymore.

15 posted on 02/19/2025 12:08:27 PM PST by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.")
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To: Petrosius
And European Countries?

I just watched a segment where the German Polizia (Federal Police) arrested and jailed people for posting memes.

16 posted on 02/19/2025 12:09:57 PM PST by Tommy Revolts
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To: Bobbyvotes

Biden and Clinton and Obama made deals with Russia, too.

Forgot about Uranium One so soon?


17 posted on 02/19/2025 12:13:03 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustmilents offered here free of charge)
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To: marcusmaximus
"Trump knows he will have to make concessions [to Russia] because he is negotiating with the side that's winning in Ukraine," writes pro-Kremlin tabloid Moskovsky Komsomolets. "He will make concessions. Not at America's expense, but at the expense of Europe and Ukraine.

Works for me so long as the Russians can give us something back of value.

18 posted on 02/19/2025 12:15:55 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Tommy Revolts

At least they didn’t get poisoned or thrown out a window or get found shot in the head. Not that any of these are excusable, but...*perspective.*


19 posted on 02/19/2025 12:16:10 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustmilents offered here free of charge)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
But treating Putin and Russia as anything other than scum sickens me.

You don't seem to realize most of us feel the same way about Zelensky, the corrupt globalists and politicians profiting from this war, Deep State and neocons/warmongers that want regime changes and war.

20 posted on 02/19/2025 12:18:53 PM PST by Kazan
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