Posted on 02/19/2025 11:23:22 AM PST by DallasBiff
The Delta flight crew on board the jet that crash-landed and flipped over in Toronto was experienced and trained for such ordeals, the airline’s CEO said Wednesday — as he poured cold water on fears about mass Federal Aviation Agency layoffs under President Trump.
Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian praised the actions of the flight crew who quickly evacuated the plane when it crashed at Toronto Pearson International Airport on Monday, insisting they were familiar with wintry conditions there.
“All these pilots train for these conditions,” Bastian told “CBS Mornings,” adding that “there is one level of safety at Delta.”
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Stop, drop, and roll!
Seems like some of the passengers could provide some information on the crew. They would know if the plane had a female pilot.
“...what caused the landing gear to malfunction, was it pilot error or a maintenance error.”
Pilot error; landed to hard. Obvious.
“…it looks to me that the landing gear collapsed on impact with the runway, when that happened one wing dug into the ground causing the plane to rollover and the other wing broke off.“
I had the same reaction. The landing gear collapsed and the plane rolled. That is not something you can blame on the flight crew, unless a mistake was made, which caused the full weight to come down on one set of gear.
Training is the word they started throwing out decades ago when they first began shoving women into what were traditionally male areas of endeavor. They think sheer training can make up for skill and innate ability.
“Actually, losing the wing may have prevented fatalities since it was on fire”
Yep fortunate. The plane was being sprayed down by the Fire crews but I don’t know they were spraying? Tt looked like it was turning to snow in mid air before hitting the plane. I certainly could be wrong, but I do wonder how effective it would have been had there been a fire.
It is known that winds were in the 30-50 mph range, and not a perfect headwind but somewhat quartering from right (WSW wind, SW facing runway). And there are large cargo buildings near runway which can create more variations in wind speed in lowest 50 feet by blocking and eddy effects.
Pilots don’t have time to compensate for sudden last-second wind variations and speculation on pprune forum (includes pilots) is that hard landing on right landing gear will be attributable to some combination of last-second wind variations (not shear) and possibly also depth perception problems caused by ground drifting (recent heavy snow in Toronto has left almost two feet on the ground — runway was clear of snow but there can be some ground drifting in these conditions).
It was a relatively small passenger jet (CRV) that would perhaps be more prone to last-second altitude loss. I don’t think it landed 1,000’ short of target, but in any case it did land on the runway, not short of runway. That’s a long runway that handles largest commercial jets on a regular basis.
To figure out how much and how good was their experience.
In not providing their ages, number of pilot on command hours, how many hours of flight time, length of time at Delta, etc;
If they were DEI hires, it’s less likely they will fired.
A landing that hard is inexcusable. A well-trained pilot would not have a problem landing with 30-40 mph cross winds. This pilot didn’t even flare the plane before landing. Didn’t look like “crabbed” into the wind while approaching the runway.
My conclusion from what I know so far is “pilot error” given that no other planes had a problem.
“They experienced a 70 mph wind gust.”
A report earlier today denied any crosswind at the time of landing.
[quote]From the Internet....
The Delta Airlines flight that flipped over and crashed at Pearson Airport was operated by Endeavor Air, a company that has relentlessly pushed DEI initiatives and bragged about having “unmanned” all-female flights that contained no male staff.Respondents to the shocking incident noted how Endeavor Air, the Delta subsidiary that operated the flight, was obsessed with DEI initiatives, and produced a feminist girlboss video promoting its all-female flights with a rap song featuring the lyrics “bad girls do it well.”
Other videos linked to the company show other female Endeavor Air flight crew and stewardesses performing choreographed dance routines celebrating the total absence of men.[/quote]
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt ripped Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) for suggesting that Trump’s FAA layoffs were partly to blame for the disastrous landing.
“It’s incredibly irresponsible for Chuck Schumer to say such a thing when the investigation is still underway,” the press sec told Fox News’ “America Reports” late Tuesday.
“This crash unfortunately took place in Canadian airspace with Canadian air-traffic controllers overseeing it,” she said.
“They experienced a 70 mph wind gust.“
And the wind speed continues to rise. First it was 50, then earlier today it was 65 and now it’s seventy.
You still don’t need their names.
A very strong gust of wind that came directly at them - opposing the airplanes vector . . . that could have attributed to the fast descent.
But still, the aircraft wing flaps did not appear to be deployed for landing.
And the video shows exactly that.
Got hit by wind shear, maybe just transition to the boundary layer, but you can clearly see the increased vertical rate and the lower pitch. Bet they lost ~ 10 ktas.
Pilot forums are claiming CPT was a new ATP and the FO was a sim instructor on a currency flight. Probably too slow to add power and kill the descent rate or go around, too close to the stall to flare at the end.
Will all come out in the FDR data.
High sink rate, failure to flare = hard impact = landing gear collapse, and all the rest that followed. CRJ’s were not built for carrier landings.
What changed? Not the airport. Not the aircraft. Not the flight procedures. Not climate change.
What changed is an industry determined to put less qualified pilots in cockpits due to a pilot shortage that the industry somehow claims will be overcome by 2035.
🤣 I went there in my mind when I first read the title.
If true, and I have no reason to doubt you, thus is going to be a disaster for Delta.
And even if the copilot was on a check ride, the check airman should never have allowed her to land the plane in those weather conditions. That was irresponsible.
BTW, my younger son is a Delta Captain and has experience in flying to Europe and the far east. He became an airline pilot when before his 22nd birthday.
On what planet would they have reported other than an “experienced” crew?
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