2/15/2025, 12:04:08 PM · by MinorityRepublican · 84 replies
BBC News ^ | 15 February 2025 | Johanna Chisholm
Posted on 02/15/2025 3:33:30 PM PST by ransomnote
MUNICH, Feb 15 (Reuters) - Europe won't have a seat at the table for Ukraine peace talks, Donald Trump's Ukraine envoy said on Saturday, after Washington sent a questionnaire to European capitals to ask what they could contribute to security guarantees for Kyiv.Trump shocked European allies this week by calling Russian President Vladimir Putin without consulting them or Kyiv beforehand and declaring an immediate start to peace talks.
Trump administration officials have also made clear in recent days that they expect European allies in NATO to take primary responsibility for the region as the U.S. now has other priorities, such as border security and countering China.
The U.S. moves have stoked fears that Europeans may be cut out of a peace deal that would also impact their own security, particularly if it is seen as too favourable to Russia.
Kellogg told a global security conference in Munich that the U.S. would act as an intermediary in the talks, with Ukraine and Russia as the two protagonists.
Asked about the prospects of the Europeans being at the table, Kellogg said: "I'm (from) a school of realism. I think that's not gonna happen."
At a later event at the conference, Kellogg sought to reassure Europeans by declaring this did not mean "their interests are not considered, used or developed".
But European leaders said they would not accept being shut out of the talks.
"There's no way in which we can have discussions or negotiations about Ukraine, Ukraine's future or European security structure, without Europeans," Finland's President Alexander Stubb told reporters in Munich.
"But this means that Europe needs to get its act together. Europe needs to talk less and do more."
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Three is a crowd.
Europe and Ukraine must be shocked.
The entire Rules Based Order is on it’s ear.
Soon to be no more.
And there no way they can complain they didn’t see it coming. Every POTUS since HW Bush has been warning them.
They shouldn’t have a say. Without the US they can’t help themselves.
Loving this! Slink away, EU, slink away.
"But this means that Europe needs to get its act together. Europe needs to talk less and do more."
Well ... yes.
Good. Keep Europe out.
The only thing European NATO allies need to know after the adults work out the truce is how many of their troops will be needed as cease line fodder to install at the buffer between Ukraine and Russia. Until then, they should repair the Nordstream pipeline Biden blew up so they can get back to importing Russian gas they said they would never import
Maybe they will kick the US out of NATO. We can only hope.
Great idea!
That means the USA will pay for every thing.
And, the best bonus - hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees will become USA citizens and vote for the Democratic Party.
Zelensky and Europe Big Mad.
But who cares?
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Europe will not be part of Ukraine peace talks, US envoy says, zeestephen wrote: Europe will not be part of Ukraine peace talks... Great idea!
That means the USA will pay for every thing.
And, the best bonus - hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees will become USA citizens and vote for the Democratic Party.
Europe still has no intention of paying for anything - even if they had been invited to the talks, they're assuring the public that they don't have anything to give Ukraine.
America has put more money into Ukraine than it has every given any other country. Biden shoveled 200 Billion since 2022 and that's before the billions from NGO's and other poorly tracked funds. Zelensky says he doesn't know where half of that went. Europe pushed this war long past the point they or anyone else could pay for it.
Ukraine refugees are already in the US and other countries. It's Europe's turn - their NATO proxy war was a bad idea and it should cost them.
Yeeeeesssss
Europe backed out long ago.
That IS what is going to happen.
What is this clown going to do about it?
Let Europe concentrate on its "European Values" like abortion, promotion of homosexuality, transgenderism, crazy, economy-destroying "green" policies, opening its gates to grifting Third World savages and hunting down and destroying anyone who questions those ruinous things. That's just about all Europe's good for now.
Maybe the eurotrash should demand our respect by threatening us with their powerful armies. Oh, wait...
Geez, you people are simple minded. The EU have not been a monolith when it comes to Ukraine, especially early on. Naftalie Bennet described that quite clearly. The UK was hawkish (much as you describe), the US was waffling (Biden probably forgot whatever he’d said the previous day), and countries like Germany wanted negotiations. Macron supported negotiations too, but doubted the situation was resolvable. (After a phone call with Pooty, Macron told the media “this will get worse.” That really stuck in my mind, esp. after negotiations collapsed and Bennet opined that, at that point, resolution by negotiation would not work — everybody seems to forget that.)
Ultimately (as described by Bennet) the US hopped on the UK bandwagon, and that was the driving factor thereafter.
The Germans sort of sat on their position until 2024, then abruptly kicked up their defense budget considerably (slightly passing the NATO 2% target in 2024.) Maybe they feel more confident now that RheinMetall is popping out 3 million artillery shells a year? It’s hard to say, but they seem even more hawkish since Trump won — maybe it’s just a kneejerk reaction to do the opposite of Trump.
The Euros can’t come up with the peacekeeping troops needed, which wouldn’t be accepted by Pooty anyway, the US won’t provide backup if those troops get attacked, and then you expect the Euros to agree to ROE (etc.) they had no say in determining?
Moreover, any Euro soldier who could would wisely retire, and recruitment would drop to near zero.
Whatever you are smoking, keep it far away from me.
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