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Russia wants Kursk back before negotiations. Ukraine isn’t budging.
Washington Post ^ | 11/16/2024 | Siobhán O'Grady, Serhii Korolchuk, Francesca Ebel and Sarah Cahlan

Posted on 11/16/2024 7:46:28 AM PST by marcusmaximus

Ukrainian troops are facing down a ferocious Russian counteroffensive in Kursk as Putin seeks to take back Russian land before any talks.

The fight to control some 200 square miles of land in western Russia became even more brutal in recent days as the Kremlin, ahead of possible negotiations with the incoming Trump administration to end the war, appears set on removing Russian territory from the equation.

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The timing appears to demonstrate the Kremlin’s growing appreciation for how Kursk may play into future talks: If negotiations are to occur, Russia wants to make sure only Ukrainian land is up for debate.

“It is clear that Moscow will not start any negotiations until they have kicked out every last Ukrainian soldier from Kursk,” Konstantin Remchukov, the editor in chief of Nezavisimaya Gazeta who moves in Kremlin circles, told The Washington Post. Russian President Vladimir Putin does not want Kursk to be used as a bargaining chip — nor does he want to be forced to relinquish any of the Ukrainian territory he has captured since Russia’s invasion, Remchukov added. Putin’s recent mentions that any deal needs to reflect the “realities on the ground” refers to Russia’s hopes to recapture Kursk, he said.

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To: marcusmaximus

This I believe is the Institute for the Study of War Kursk sector map:

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/83a2f24901c941d581c0c523ecd2619b

I can’t get it to downland.

Other ISW map products are at
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/interactive-map-portfolio#Russia-Ukraine-Products:


41 posted on 11/16/2024 8:47:35 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Kazan
Kursk in 3 days! Bring your parade uniforms!


42 posted on 11/16/2024 8:48:54 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: Kazan

They know the truth, they just ignore it. It doesn’t matter now. I’m just watching Ukraine shrink faster day by day.


43 posted on 11/16/2024 8:52:09 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Black guy upon receiving a MAGA hat: "Murica!")
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To: marcusmaximus; Kazan
Kursk in 3 days! Bring your parade uniforms!

Dnepr in 3 days!

Azov guys! Bring your river escape Speedos and your escape noodles!

Our armor will protect you on the river!


44 posted on 11/16/2024 8:58:20 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: marcusmaximus
Ukraine's Army Brigades Battle to Make Enlisting 'Sexy'

About 51,000 Ukrainians Have Deserted Armed Forces This Year

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45 posted on 11/16/2024 8:59:19 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: marcusmaximus; Kazan
Kursk in 3 days! Bring your parade uniforms!

Dnepr in 3 days!

Azov guys! Bring your river escape Speedos and your escape noodles!

Our armor will protect you on the river!


46 posted on 11/16/2024 8:59:24 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: kiryandil
Ukraine situation explained -- All views covered.


47 posted on 11/16/2024 9:07:06 AM PST by Salman (Winning an election is not enough.)
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To: marcusmaximus

This is a typical Russian negotiating tactic. I am almost feel sorry though for those poor stupid Russians. Trump will clean their clock.


48 posted on 11/16/2024 9:10:25 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: marcusmaximus
“The Russians have the initiative across (the frontlines) right now, they have successfully exploited tactical gains and are reinforcing those tactical gains,” George Barros from the Institute for the Study of War told CNN.

Barros, who leads the Russia and Geospatial Intelligence teams at the DC-based conflict monitoring group, said that Russia’s advantage on the battlefield makes it impossible for Ukraine to prepare for a possible counteroffensive.

“The Russians are the ones taking action, and they’re forcing the Ukrainians to respond. That’s not a good thing, because you lose wars by constantly being on the defensive. … You just get boxed into a corner and you have to choose from a buffet of bad options,” Barros added.

The situation is particularly dire around Kupiansk. The key northeastern city is once again at risk of falling to Russia after it was liberated by the Ukrainians in September 2022 following more than six months under Russian occupation.

Bad news mounts for Ukraine across the frontlines. But Russia is under pressure too

49 posted on 11/16/2024 9:12:02 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Allegra

More SPAM from Marcy.


50 posted on 11/16/2024 9:12:47 AM PST by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Kazan

“ They sought their independence and willingly agreed to join the Russian Federation.”

If these ethnic Russians love Russia so much they were welcome to get the hell out of Ukraine and move to Russia, and Russia so concerned about their ethnic people suffering in foreign lands should have welcomed them. But they didn’t. They didn’t because Putin cares diddly squat about Russians as evidenced by the rate at which he throws ethnic Russians into the wood chipper. He wanted Ukraine. Also, if Mexicans in California thought they weren’t being treated right in California they don’t get to secede from the US and join Mexico..and Mexico doesn’t get to claim California and invade the US to annex it. But the Mexicans are more than free to leave ! Stupid argument.


51 posted on 11/16/2024 9:15:36 AM PST by libh8er
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To: marcusmaximus

The War will continue because Ruzzia will not trade Kursk for Ruzzian Speaking
Ukie Territory. So on it will go, unless Trump cuts American Tax Dollars to YouCrayne. Then EU Countries will have to pick up the Slack or force Z-Man
to accept Peace.


52 posted on 11/16/2024 9:18:42 AM PST by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: marcusmaximus

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53 posted on 11/16/2024 9:20:36 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: tennmountainman
I think there will be a ceasefire in spring of '25.

There may not be a peace deal for 10 years. Or sometime after Putin.

54 posted on 11/16/2024 9:20:44 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Kazan

Only Marcy’s Propaganda count as facts.


55 posted on 11/16/2024 9:21:13 AM PST by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: marcusmaximus
Ukraine's Zelenskyy says he wants to end war with Russia through diplomacy next year

Why is it, that you post's always paint a far different picture than what is the reality?

56 posted on 11/16/2024 9:22:09 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: marcusmaximus

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57 posted on 11/16/2024 9:23:55 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: libh8er
If these ethnic Russians love Russia so much they were welcome to get the hell out of Ukraine and move to Russia

How Nazi of you. That is exactly what the Nazis did Jews in Germany.

It isn't the least bit surprising that is your mentality given that Ukraine is epicenter of neo-Nazism in the world.

Get this through your thick skull -- the victims of illegal coups don't have to flee their homes. They have EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND THEIR HOMELAND.

And, you analogy sucks. California didn't have an illegal coup that installed a government hostile to Mexicans. Ukraine DID HAVE AN ILLEGAL COUP and installed a government hostile to people that were born and lived their whole lives in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea.

Get it through your think, baboon skull -- the annexed area isn't going back to Ukraine. It's part of Russia by consent of the people. Whether you like it or don't like, LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.

We're not starting WW III or nuclear war over a mess the Obama and Biden regimes and Deep State created.

58 posted on 11/16/2024 9:40:33 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Rockingham

😅🤣😅🤣😂

Get a clue and take your rose colored glasses off.

__________

“Donald Trump doesn’t know how to stop the war in Ukraine & JD Vance is dangerous and too radical”
- V. Zelensky, Sep.2024

‐———————————

‘So a foreign leader who has received billions of dollars in funding from American taxpayers, comes to our country and has the nerve to attack the GOP ticket for President?And he does this right after a pro-Ukraine zealot tried to assassinate my father? Disgraceful!’

Donald Trump Jr.



59 posted on 11/16/2024 9:46:02 AM PST by ANKE69 (✌️🇺🇲 Let's MAGA)
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To: marcusmaximus

Excuse me Putin, energy prices will be heading south. That means you won’t be able to afford your mouth.


60 posted on 11/16/2024 9:47:44 AM PST by Chgogal (To paraphrase Biden: You vote Democrat? Then you ain't smart. )
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