Posted on 11/08/2024 7:45:59 AM PST by marcusmaximus
President Vladimir Putin is ready to discuss Ukraine with Donald Trump but that does not mean he is willing to alter Moscow's demands, the Kremlin said on Friday.
Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov made the remarks after being asked at his daily news briefing if Putin's readiness to talk to the Republican president-elect reflected a willingness to change those demands.
"The president has never said that the goals of the special military operation are changing. On the contrary, he has repeatedly said that they remain the same," Peskov said.
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Putin on June 14 set out his terms for an end to the war: Ukraine would have to drop its NATO ambitions and withdraw all of its troops from all of the territory of four regions claimed by Russia.
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Stupid story
OF COURSE his demands haven’t changed. That is how negotiations work. Unless you are the stupid people running the US Government under Biden or Obama, you don’t weaken your position to get the other side to the table.
Trump is the best shot.
However, in the case of Ukraine, it is Russia that has the upper hand / leverage. Any deal (compromise) made will greatly favor their side.
To bring about an end to this war means to acknowledge that, and that is when reality (that we didn’t win this war) will settle in.
Ironically, those RESPONSIBLE for this war and its continuation will then turn around and blame Trump for a bad deal or losing it.
Trump has an ace up his sleave
Bankrupt Russia by opening US Energy production as far as he can get away with
Russian and Iran are highly vulnerable because they are primarily energy exporters.
Start taking their economic linchpin away from them and they will get a whole lot more willing to talk.
Most people have no idea how powerful the US is if it decides to stop playing nice.
Putin will sweeten the pot if he can get something in return. Such as an end to the sanctions, the property confiscations, and the false flagging.
However, in the case of Ukraine, it is Russia that has the upper hand / leverage. Any deal (compromise) made will greatly favor their side.
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A pyrric victory.
No one knows for sure what it cost in man and material for Russia to engage in this war, but the total in the end will be high.
It has also been expensive for Ukraine (more in men then equipment because he was provided supplies from the west, they are losing a generation of young men.)
They have bloodied their opponent and now is the time to end this.
How is why they have negotiations.
I would start with a cease fire in place and go from there.
Putin is in an interesting position. If the war ends now, the Russian economy will collapse. That’s because it is entirely focused on the war. The same thing happened when WWII ended. The US economy went into recession. What rescued the US economy was the industrial base of the entire world was destroyed by the war. Every soldier came home to a job. That can’t happen in Russia. The world will be very slow to trust Russia on anything again.
Having said that, if the war continues the Russian economy will collapse. It will just be a slower collapse. Putin is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
And, as soon as Trump announces he won't be giving anymore military funding to Ukraine, that is exactly what will happen.
Zelensky and his cronies will be allowed to live and escape to their mansions.
I’m not surprised. Russia is winning.
Russia has more of an ace up its sleeve -- the ability to disable the entire Ukrainian electric grid.
Kiev is already facing eight to 20 hour blackouts this winter. That is unsustainable.
With Biden regime gone soon, it's past time for Ukraine to surrender.
Exactly. If keeping the borders at where the lines are now is Putin’s opening position, then he is ready to move from that in negotiation. Trump has a very strong hand, with many cards to play. One such card is China. As Nixon understood, the key to influencing Russia is through China. At the same time Putin proclaims that that Ukraine is historically Part of Russia, China has an ambition to reclaim Eastern Siberia, which was seized from it in the 1870s. I hear that China is already publishing maps which show Vladivostok with its original Chinese name. Russia cannot defend its borders from China while mired in Ukraine, where the best of its army has already been killed, twice. My guess is that Trump will speak with Xi before Putin.
Just split it at the Dnieper and call it a day.
You don’t start negotiations by givng stuff away. You start at your position and then negotiate.
This is more stupid posted by you, of course.
Trump Will negotiate with Putin.
Zelensky will just be a hood ornament.
Trump talks and Putin listens. End of.
DC and London really want a “frozen conflict” with a DMZ etc. Then they can bring Ukraine into NATO or NATO-lite, then spend a few trillion building a new huge Uke military, flood in NATO and US “advisors” etc.
This “talks” push is just another Minsk II.
The DC/London axis will not return stolen Russian gold and property, turn SWIFT back on, repair Nordstream, etc.
Trump and NATO can apply more pressure by strengthening sanctions and generating internal political pressure against Putin. A few well-chosen comments would resonate against Putin domestically, just as Reagan's sanction and references to Russia as an "evil empire" and urging in Berlin to "tear down this wall" undermined the Soviet leadership at a time of peril.
In addition, even without NATO admission, continued support will keep Ukraine in the fight and Russia bleeding. Sooner or later, the most logical course will be accepted: a cease fire on present lines, with negotiations, and an interim deal that lasts until Putin leaves office.
In effect, the West can offer to Putin that he become like Franco after WW II. No support for a coup, that he dies a natural death, and that his family is protected and his stolen wealth (mostly) permitted to pass to them. Meanwhile, Russia will be able to redirect military strength against China, a deep concern to Putin and his advisers.
China today is pondering which to seize first: Vladivostok, or Taiwan? Putin could survive an ambiguous end to his Ukraine war, but he would not survive the loss of Vladivostok to China. Indeed, even if Ukraine surrendered today, Russia could not afford the expense and effort of occupation and of countering NATO's military buildup without putting the Russian Far East in jeopardy.
As it is, Putin's successors will end up relinquishing their tenuous hold on Ukraine and dropping his ambition to recover the glory of the Soviet era.
Massive Russian Advance At Pokrovsk Front l Russian Advance North Of Kurakhove
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