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Russia says West should negotiate end to Ukraine war based on current reality
SwissInfo ^ | 11/7/2024 | Reuters

Posted on 11/07/2024 4:42:52 AM PST by marcusmaximus

Russian Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu said on Thursday, a day after Donald Trump became U.S. president-elect, that the West should accept Russia was winning the Ukraine war and negotiate an end to it.

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The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s transition team had proposed that Kyiv could promise not to join NATO for 20 years in exchange for Washington agreeing to arm it heavily to deter a Russian attack. Russia says it will not comment on media reports, and that it would need to see the details of any plan before commenting.

The Kremlin reacted cautiously on Wednesday after Trump won the presidential election, saying the U.S. was still an unfriendly state and that only time would tell if his rhetoric on ending the war translated into reality. Reuters reported in May that Putin was ready to halt the war with a negotiated ceasefire recognising current battlefield lines, but was prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West did not respond.

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KEYWORDS: frozenconflict; trump; ukraine
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To: Brian Griffin; marcusmaximus
“Pompeo is a horrible traitorous pick.” : Kindly justify that statement.

marcusmaximus advocates for him.

That's all I gotta know.

61 posted on 11/07/2024 6:54:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Navy Patriot
>> "When GloboHomoPedoNazi Ukraine, Zelensky and Degenerates lose, the rest of the world wins."

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

62 posted on 11/07/2024 6:56:46 AM PST by ANKE69 (✌️🇺🇲 Let's MAGA)
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To: MNDude
Now they’ll probably be looking at paying 20 years of reparations. Hoping Trump negotiates a fair deal on their behalf.

I was saying even before the war started that Ukraine should just make a deal and sell the land to Russia. Like when we bought Alaska from the Russians.

63 posted on 11/07/2024 7:00:26 AM PST by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: Petrosius; Jumper
This would all stop if the Russians just went home.

The Russian army is at home in the oblasts of the Russian Federation - Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Luhansk, the Russian Republic of Crimea and the Russian federal city of Sevastopol.

Not in the Ukraine.

Keep screwing around, and the little Ucrazian grifter will be coughing up the future Russian Federation oblasts of Kharkov, Nikolaev and Odessa.

64 posted on 11/07/2024 7:02:46 AM PST by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: kiryandil
The Russian army is at home in the oblasts of the Russian Federation - Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Luhansk, the Russian Republic of Crimea and the Russian federal city of Sevastopol.

Stop dreaming.

65 posted on 11/07/2024 7:06:02 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: BobL
All I see is corruption (Well, son of a bitch, he got fired...) and the mortal bleeding out of America financially thanks to Congress.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/21/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/15/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine-february-2014

A decade of decline is the end result.

66 posted on 11/07/2024 7:20:02 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: marcusmaximus
Frozen conflict = Putin lost.

Sure Mucus ...

Zelensky says Ukraine struck by 900 bombs in the space of one week November 3, 2024

Frozen Conflict = Uke GloboHomoPedoNazis Already Lost.

67 posted on 11/07/2024 7:25:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (I Voted For President Trump, Celebrate Recivilization!)
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To: Petrosius; Flavious_Maximus; Jumper
The shame is that Putin could have had eastern Donbas without a shot being fired.

The Elensky Line, which is currently being ground to flinders, says otherwise, neocon fabulist.

Continue to lie like a neocon. You don't construct a Maginot Line with the intent of giving it up without a shot.

68 posted on 11/07/2024 7:38:21 AM PST by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: Petrosius; Jumper
Stop dreaming.

Look up "de facto", Petey Boy.

69 posted on 11/07/2024 7:40:12 AM PST by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: Petrosius; delta7; Jumper
Russia does not have the capability. They are running out of people and the economy is imploding. It is doubtful if Russia could keep up the war for another year.

I thought we established on Tuesday last that The Spew York Times was just as accurate about the current war in the Ukraine as they were accurate about Duranty's reporting on the Ukrainian famine all those years ago.

Tell yourself to stop reading The Spew York Times for information on this war, Petey Boy.

70 posted on 11/07/2024 7:49:00 AM PST by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: delta7; Jumper
Looks like Petey Boy, the old Cold Warrior, misses his barracks in the Fulda Gap.

He's like the soldiers in the Imperial Japanese army who never surrendered after World War II.

And this week, he Haz The Madz that The Putin is crushing The Elensky.

71 posted on 11/07/2024 7:52:15 AM PST by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: Wuli

We have no right to impose that condition on Ukraine.

~~~

That’s fine.

So when do we get our 150 billion back?


72 posted on 11/07/2024 7:56:42 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: PIF

Imposing a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from the county they invaded seems a better long term solution.
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Ethnic war is never cured, runs for centuries. As the Ukie Nazis started bombing the Russian ethnic provinces back in 2014, it is highly unlikely they would stop if they somehow regained the Russian Donbass, especially when Vlad has effectively destroyed the nation of Ukraine.

In fact, with the Ukies track record, if Vlad somehow ever pulled out, we would witness the Ukies fury decimate all ethnic Russian men, woman and children. Everyone knows this. Ukraine’s upcoming negotiations ( surrender) begins where the violated Minsk Agreements left off….Vlad’s stated objectives will be met.


73 posted on 11/07/2024 8:08:04 AM PST by delta7
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To: kiryandil
De facto for now but only time will tell if it will last. Russia is exhausted will have difficulty continuing the war for another year. It would be best for them to cut a deal now, and that means concessions.
74 posted on 11/07/2024 8:24:25 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: kiryandil

Sorry, but I look at a number of other sources. Like you, I do not trust NYT. I would suggest that you look beyond Russian sources. They are in a worse state concerning personnel and economy than you think.


75 posted on 11/07/2024 8:26:53 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: kiryandil

I was referring to the line they held before the invasion.


76 posted on 11/07/2024 8:27:47 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: marcusmaximus
The reality is eight to 20 hour blackouts in Kiev starting next month when winter starts.

Ukraine either surrenders or continues to lose territory. Those are the only two options.

77 posted on 11/07/2024 8:32:23 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Tell It Right

If Russia has to speed the war along, it will simply take out the rest of the electric grid in Ukraine and flood Europe with refugees.


78 posted on 11/07/2024 8:35:31 AM PST by Kazan
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To: marcusmaximus
What about this reality don't you understand?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-shortage-energy-russia-missile-attack-nuclear-infrastructure-research/

Ukraine faces toughest winter yet as energy shortages loom

Kyiv faces daily blackouts of eight to 20 hours amid an onslaught of Russian attacks.

79 posted on 11/07/2024 8:37:35 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Petrosius
Russia was the side that CONSISTENTLY sought peace -- with Minsk Accords, before the war started in 12/21 when it came to the Biden regime with its security concerns and in Turkey in March of 2022, where a peace deal that would have ended the war was squashed by Boris Johnson.

You're a liar.

80 posted on 11/07/2024 8:39:23 AM PST by Kazan
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