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Hurricane Helene Signals the End of the ‘Climate Haven’
Scientific American ^ | October 4, 2024 | BY CHELSEA HARVEY

Posted on 10/06/2024 7:36:00 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Hurricane Helene demolished the notion there are places on Earth immune from climate change — an already shaky premise that was further discredited by widespread damage to Asheville, North Carolina, a so-called climate haven.

Even so, experts say climate is a growing factor in many people’s relocation decisions. And some places do have lower comparative risks depending on the type of disaster. That can — and should — influence their decisions on where to move, they say.

“There's no such thing as a climate haven,” said Jesse Keenan, a professor of sustainable real estate and urban planning at Tulane University. “But what has happened is that various people, including myself, have identified cities where people are moving to, where consumer preferences are shaping the demand for places.”

“Everyone has been asking about Asheville as a climate haven,” said Kathie Dello, North Carolina’s state climatologist. “We’ve never really agreed with that. There’s always been a risk of flooding and fire.”

While climate havens may be a myth, Keenan said his work has highlighted the fact that some cities around the U.S. are becoming climate “receiving zones” — places where some people are choosing to move, in part, for climate-related reasons.

Asheville is among them, he said.

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TOPICS: Local News; Outdoors; Science
KEYWORDS: chelseaharvey; globalwarming; hoax; propaganda; socialism
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I can’t believe how “Scientific” American jumped in and grabbed the spot MAD magazine occupied until they stopped publishing it.


21 posted on 10/06/2024 8:00:42 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The New "American Dream"! U.S. taxpayer financed - "ASYLUM" for foreign fugitives.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

The “Long Island Express” of 1938 hit Toronto!


22 posted on 10/06/2024 8:00:53 AM PDT by Does so (Vote for The Anti-War President...🇺🇦...Dem☭crats...)
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To: jcon40
I used to subscribe to SA until it turned to trash

I did as well.

I started reading it in high school and got a subscription later. Dropped it in the mid 1980s.

Other once fine magazines that have been captured by the left that I used to read. But dropped once they started to replace science with ideology: National Geographic, Science, Nature and Discover.

Discover started out good but turned Left pretty quickly.

It is sad that you just can’t get real science in a magazine any more.

23 posted on 10/06/2024 8:01:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (esse welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Climate has changed from the beginning of time. The idea that man has anything to do with it is absurd.


24 posted on 10/06/2024 8:02:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wasn’t there a low pressure system already above TN that combined with Helene resulting in the catastrophic rainfall amounts?


25 posted on 10/06/2024 8:02:56 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Kamala Harris loves to give wet Willys)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Me as well

See #23


26 posted on 10/06/2024 8:04:29 AM PDT by Pontiac (esse welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There certainly seems to be no escape for the tsunami of leftist bvllsh1t.


27 posted on 10/06/2024 8:04:55 AM PDT by xoxox
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I remember reading of a hurricane that hit Texas, went north and flooded Kansas. Maybe 100 years or more ago.


28 posted on 10/06/2024 8:10:06 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is force!--G. Washington)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The residents of Asheville did a lousy job keeping “climate change” out of their “haven”. They should have brought Greta Thunberg in to do one of her wildly popular “How Dare You” speeches to get the Asheville left back on track.


29 posted on 10/06/2024 8:10:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The New "American Dream"! U.S. taxpayer financed - "ASYLUM" for foreign fugitives.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

I was hiking in the eastern Washington “channeled scablands” this week. The great Missoula Floods only 380 generations ago swept through the area, wiped out all the topsoil and deposited great boulders. Those 40floods happened because the warming earth caused the great ice dams from the glaciersto give way sending water roaring through here. The water volume was equal to two of the Great Lakes.

It isn’t in any living memory, but only five times further back in time from when Christ walked the earth.

The climate changed a lot back then.


30 posted on 10/06/2024 8:13:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (May the soy boys, feminazis, and alphabet weirdos choke on the toxic fumes of our masculinity)
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To: BradyLS

Martha’s Vinyard was devastated by the hurricane of 1938. Menemsha, a small town on the island, was washed away.


31 posted on 10/06/2024 8:14:06 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Same type of fear mongering that Al Gore and others did after Katrina. I guess when you are a climate cultist, you can never remember the past, the failures in predictions or that nothing they do or say does anything but waste time, resources and money.


32 posted on 10/06/2024 8:16:26 AM PDT by Dutch Boy (The only thing worse than having something taken from you is to have it returned broken. )
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To: BradyLS

MARTHA’S VINYARD!!!

What’s wrong with this picture?

🙄


33 posted on 10/06/2024 8:17:28 AM PDT by Laslo Fripp (Does anybody proofread anymore?)
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To: Fiji Hill

Camille, in addition to the damage on The Gulf Coast, killed 200 people in Virginia.


34 posted on 10/06/2024 8:17:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
And, on the same thesis of taxes, of recalls what is read each year in many different denominations: "And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed."

Climate changes. The call for taxes NEVER changes.

Best wishes.

35 posted on 10/06/2024 8:18:11 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: dfwgator

I remember Camille. I was safely in California at the time, but I read about its devastation.


36 posted on 10/06/2024 8:20:18 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Laslo Fripp

Bronco has a home there. (Not afraid of the seas rising due to global warming/climate change to flood him out.) Immigrants were turned away there. It must therefore be the safest place on earth.


37 posted on 10/06/2024 8:21:17 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Scientific American has been compromised for many years.


38 posted on 10/06/2024 8:21:49 AM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just STFU already!

MAN has NOTHING to do with any “climate change”!

MAN could do NOTHING about “climate change” even IF it were occurring.

With all the effects of the moon, the sun, the universe, the winds, the currents and tides, would you not expect some change in the climate? It happens EVERY DAY it’s called “WEATHER”

PUNY little hu-MANs are so insignificant on this earth, that he COULD NOT HAVE any global impact on climate change.

The sheer vastness of the universe, the vastness of the seas, the vastness of the wilderness, CAN NOT and ARE NOT being affected by Hu-MANS.

GOD is in control of it ALL!


39 posted on 10/06/2024 8:22:59 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Geoge Bernard Shaw on climate havens:

"In Hartford, Hereford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly happen" (1912)

Hartford, Conn. gets a few hurricanes and Hampshire, Ill. gets even fewer. Hereford, Texas is west of the hurricane belt, but it gets tornados.

40 posted on 10/06/2024 8:27:10 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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