Are you people really that stupid you can't figure out what the next step is going to be after NATO fires that first missile into Russia.
Posted on 09/13/2024 2:38:27 PM PDT by ransomnote
ransomnote: The media is broadcasting part of Putin's statment - essentially if US/UK allow Ukraine to fire long-range missiles deep into Russia, then they are at war with Russia. Right now there's apparently a blackout on Putin's second point - NATO military personelle, and NATO satellite intel are required to fire the missiles deep into Russia (in bold type below).
Question: Over the past few days, we have been hearing statements at a very high level in the UK and the United States that the Kiev regime will be allowed to strike targets deep inside Russia using Western long-range weapons. Apparently, this decision is either about to be made, or has already been made, as far as we can see. This is actually quite extraordinary. Could you comment on what is going on?
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: What we are seeing is an attempt to substitute notions. Because this is not a question of whether the Kiev regime is allowed or not allowed to strike targets on Russian territory. It is already carrying out strikes using unmanned aerial vehicles and other means. But using Western-made long-range precision weapons is a completely different story.
The fact is that – I have mentioned this, and any expert, both in our country and in the West, will confirm this – the Ukrainian army is not capable of using cutting-edge high-precision long-range systems supplied by the West. They cannot do that. These weapons are impossible to employ without intelligence data from satellites which Ukraine does not have. This can only be done using the European Union’s satellites, or US satellites – in general, NATO satellites. This is the first point.
The second point – perhaps the most important, the key point even – is that only NATO military personnel can assign flight missions to these missile systems. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this.
Therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is about deciding whether NATO countries become directly involved in the military conflict or not.
If this decision is made, it will mean nothing short of direct involvement – it will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are parties to the war in Ukraine. This will mean their direct involvement in the conflict, and it will clearly change the very essence, the very nature of the conflict dramatically.
This will mean that NATO countries – the United States and European countries – are at war with Russia. And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the essence of the conflict, we will make appropriate decisions in response to the threats that will be posed to us.
What did we do when Russia supplied weapons to the Taliban, the Viet Cong, ISIS and Iraq?
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Answer to a media question | Putin answered a question from a media representative. [Media blackout on key part of Putin's statement], Alter Kaker wrote: This red line is ‘NATO directly involved in war with Russia.’ No it isn't. Ukraine already has western missiles and has been using them on its own for two years. Ukraine is simply asking the US and the UK to stop restricting where it can use them. And as for hyperventilating... may I suggest that you look in a mirror?
Those missile systems which Ukraine has been using may have been operated by US personnel, or not. Analysts have said all along that US military are required to operate some of the equipment we've been sending to the Ukraine. They apparently didn't require US satellite intel for targeting as they were shorter range. The use of long range missiles, which are far more destructive and reach far from the actual line of conflict, fired from NATO personnel into Russia has one purpose only - for NATO to start direct warfare with Russia.
A huge part of the other attempt to start war with Russia, the delivery of F-16's from NATO, meant that the Ukrainians had to struggle to find pilots who could speak/read English well enough to receive Western training. That language barrier strongly limited how many pilots the Ukraine could train, and how long it took to bring them up to speed.
You mean after we started wars in Afghanistan, Ukraine and Iraq?
You must be one of those Death to America types. My apologies, I thought for a second you might be an American - I was thrown off by your handle. The US didn’t start the war in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden did. The US didn’t start the war in Ukraine - nor are we a belligerent - Putin did.
Projection.
Kind of funny seeing you attack America for defending ourselves in Afghanistan and Iraq since you - or someone else with your login credentials - supported both of those wars once.
That’s before I realized how corrupt the US feral government is.
No, the correct analogy is Mexico invading California and “annexing” Los Angeles into Mexico. Surely, you don’t suggest we surrender there?
It’s Russia who is dropping bombs and genocidally erasing the cities of its neighbor for over two years now. Annexing entire cities that its invading bandit army haven’t even occupied. That is genuinely indefensible conduct in any context.
Everybody wants peace here. Except for the colonialist mass murderers in the Kremlin who use violence and murder to advance a political agenda. And it’s duped useful fools, apparently.
So what would you have us do after 9/11? Surrender?
Kamalala is that you ???
We pretty much did.
They only purpose of Patriot Act was to go after US citizens.
Well, today the Federal Reserve just posted a record $$$$$$$$$ 200, 000 Billion in loses….for those that don’t know what it means, you will find out inside of three months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDDN0rNU9k
Somebody on my site said we did not trust the Ukkies to not hit orphanages and grade schools in Russia, so we locked them out of the targeting systems and maintained control of them under NATO troops. So if we allow them to be used in Ukraine, we are in the chain of usage. Otherwise there is no telling what the Ukies might do with them to escalate the conflict in hopes of forcing us into it somehow.
There is much more going on than this. A massive criminal segment within the intelligence community, which has inserted politicians into office in the US, and attacked other elements in the IC with the Havana Weapon, is on the verge of being uncovered, and criminally prosecuted. What it has done will shake America to its very core. I have seen it.
As that approaches, it is entirely possible they will try to start a war with Russia to stall their exposure and prosecution.
Notice comment 4 and 5 are the exact same talking points.
You will have surveillance for your posts here. Take care of yourself.
Yes, Vlad is winning, especially in the world’s financial markets. Dedollarization ( and severe US financial turmoil) is very near.
Thanks Joe, you idiot, your Sanctions blew up everything as we knew it.
Are you people really that stupid you can't figure out what the next step is going to be after NATO fires that first missile into Russia.
You people have been saying that forever. Hitler and Stalin both said it. Not only is it not going to happen, but the dollar is stronger than it has ever been. What a bunch of america lasters you people are.
You know you’ve been on our radar since you first started writing.
You people have been saying that forever.
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This time is much, much different, DO be sure to get back with us, say, in about three months.
>>>>>FR is the forum to post Putin statements?
Do you live in RuZZia?<<<<<
Oh, look what the cat dragged in!
The zzeeper who pleasures himself while watching snuff films.
You know, the ZZelensky loving aZZhole who hates President Trump and MAGA.
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To: PIF
Election is getting wild.
Maybe Kamala will be the nominee instead of Biden. I have a hard time thinking AA delegates will support anyone but her if Biden bows out.
Maybe it will be the Ds who have a wild, open convention instead of Rs.
Between Trump and Biden, I probably won’t vote. Would be first time ever I haven’t voted since I turned 18. My wife keeps pushing me to vote Trump, but I’ve told her I can’t because of Ukraine.
Between Trump and Kamala, I will have to hold my nose and vote Trump. Biden is suboptimal but Kamala would be a disaster.
So painful.
3,468 posted on 7/3/2024, 3:08:33 PM by SpeedyInTexas (Defeat the Pro-RuZZia wing of the Republican Party)
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