Meanwhile among Zeepers...
Posted on 09/13/2024 2:38:27 PM PDT by ransomnote
ransomnote: The media is broadcasting part of Putin's statment - essentially if US/UK allow Ukraine to fire long-range missiles deep into Russia, then they are at war with Russia. Right now there's apparently a blackout on Putin's second point - NATO military personelle, and NATO satellite intel are required to fire the missiles deep into Russia (in bold type below).
Question: Over the past few days, we have been hearing statements at a very high level in the UK and the United States that the Kiev regime will be allowed to strike targets deep inside Russia using Western long-range weapons. Apparently, this decision is either about to be made, or has already been made, as far as we can see. This is actually quite extraordinary. Could you comment on what is going on?
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: What we are seeing is an attempt to substitute notions. Because this is not a question of whether the Kiev regime is allowed or not allowed to strike targets on Russian territory. It is already carrying out strikes using unmanned aerial vehicles and other means. But using Western-made long-range precision weapons is a completely different story.
The fact is that – I have mentioned this, and any expert, both in our country and in the West, will confirm this – the Ukrainian army is not capable of using cutting-edge high-precision long-range systems supplied by the West. They cannot do that. These weapons are impossible to employ without intelligence data from satellites which Ukraine does not have. This can only be done using the European Union’s satellites, or US satellites – in general, NATO satellites. This is the first point.
The second point – perhaps the most important, the key point even – is that only NATO military personnel can assign flight missions to these missile systems. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this.
Therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is about deciding whether NATO countries become directly involved in the military conflict or not.
If this decision is made, it will mean nothing short of direct involvement – it will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are parties to the war in Ukraine. This will mean their direct involvement in the conflict, and it will clearly change the very essence, the very nature of the conflict dramatically.
This will mean that NATO countries – the United States and European countries – are at war with Russia. And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the essence of the conflict, we will make appropriate decisions in response to the threats that will be posed to us.
I was watching Alexander Mercouris' video and he mentioned the partial media blackout near the start of today's episode (8 min or so) i.e., the 'key' part of Putin's statement (Ukrainians wouldn't fire long-range missiles because NATO personnel and NATO satellite intel required) is not part of media presentations there.
The first US thread I checked (Fox News) omits that key part.
So the Neo Con 'narrative' is that Russia is attacking Ukraine for 'no reason' and when Ukraine tries to defend itself, welp then Russia is at war with NATO. The Media is quoting sources which say, "Just let the Ukrainians defend themslves. Give them what they need to win."The accurate message they'd have to say, if they ever told the truth is, "Just let our US/UK military personelle fire their long-range missiles deep into Russia, so we can finally be directly involved in the war on Russia."
That's what Biden and Blinken want, war with Russia. The Pentagon says 'No' to those long-range missiles, or their personelle firing on Russia. But the Deep Staters are clamoring to get WWIII started.
Meanwhile among Zeepers...
I assume this could be the purpose for Keir Starmers’s visit. WWIII
Since Russia is using Chinese and North Korean weapons, is Ukraine at war with those countries? I seriously doubt weapons we provide require US personnel to operate them.
In my opinion, it sounds like more empty threats.
When Russia and China supplied weapons to the Taliban and the Viet Cong and the Iraqis and ISIS did we bomb Moscow and Beijing?
I think the Ruskies are referring to targeting data. Sure the Ukes can run the systems well enough, but exactly what to target and what those coordinates are is something they need intelligence data on.
Ukraine does not have the satellite spying equipment that can count the hairs on a gnats rear end from a hundred miles up. The NATO allies of Ukraine do, in particular those named by Russia.
So this is likely a real threat.
The “second point” was known and obvious.
You hardly have to talk for Putin or explain.
I guess your one of his PR agents.
Makes sense
FR is the forum to post Putin statements?
Do you live in RuZZia?
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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Answer to a media question | Putin answered a question from a media representative. [Media blackout on key part of Putin's statement], Alter Kaker wrote: When Russia and China supplied weapons to the Taliban and the Viet Cong and the Iraqis and ISIS did we bomb Moscow and Beijing?
Well, if Russia and China fired long-range missiles deep into the United States, we would have been at war with Moscow and Beijing. Foreign supplied drones are attacking inside Russia - and that's not a red line. Supplying NATO F-16's for Ukrainian pilots to fire missiles on Russian troops was not a red line. The destructive power of long-range missiles fired deep into Russia by US and other NATO military personnel and satellites are the red line.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Answer to a media question | Putin answered a question from a media representative. [Media blackout on key part of Putin's statement], SpeedyInTexas wrote: FR is the forum to post Putin statements?
Do you live in RuZZia?
I specifically pointed out that the Western media has a black out on information which Putin said, which is key to our national security. Zelensky is quoted, and honored by our officials - we can 'bear' to find out what Putin actually said, instead of waiting for the Media to decide what we're allowed to know.
All of those things were declared red lines by Putin you big meatball.
Do you live in RuZZia?
Sit down and stop hyperventilating! You’ll pass out!
This red line is ‘NATO directly involved in war with Russia.’ This one matters - for those of us who think we’ve already given almost or more than 200 Billion dollars to the Ukraine while our own country is over run, and we don’t want a hot war with Russia.
“FR is the forum to post Putin statements?”
All sorts of things are posted here, including what we don’t want to read. I do not like reading pro Harris commentary, but the logic is we need to know what the enemy is thinking. I do not like reading the Catholic stuff, so I just skip over it.
The point I’m making is about fee speech. I do not often read articles about Ukraine, this one is an exception. What I do see is mass bickering among members, such as your comment using that sicking “Ruzzia” spelling some three year old came up with. It’s so easy to see how arguments get started here with all the name calling.
There is nothing wrong with posting this article. If you do not like it, just pass over it like I do the Catholic stuff.
No, I’m obviously American, and I don’t want my country involved in war with Russia.
Some don't but some absolutely do. Nuclear weapons that Ukraine had that were Russian, required Russian involvement to use them. They needed Russia to engage in the launch process for a nuclear weapon.
All of that talk about Ukraine keeping its nukes would have been a deterrent for Russian invasion, was all just stupid talk by people who are clueless. Do not kid yourself that Ukraine had complete control to launch those nukes on their own.
Do you think that the president has the ability to actually launch nuclear weapons? He only has the authorization for them to be launched. I do not know exactly how they are launched or by whom, but it doesn't rest in the hands of a single person. Even in this country.
LOL. Give the Kremlin Bolshevik what he wants or the world will end. Such juvenile and transparent gaslighting by Moscow but the cognitively impaired are duped over and over. Or more likely they are just a Fifth Column who want “globohomo” America defeated and our children ruled by the CCP and their allies.
What would we do if Russia supplied long-range missiles to Cuba and allowed Cuba to fire them deep into the USA?
No it isn't. Ukraine already has western missiles and has been using them on its own for two years. Ukraine is simply asking the US and the UK to stop restricting where it can use them. And as for hyperventilating... may I suggest that you look in a mirror?
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Answer to a media question | Putin answered a question from a media representative. [Media blackout on key part of Putin's statement], lodi90 wrote: LOL. Give the Kremlin Bolshevik what he wants or the world will end. Such juvenile and transparent gaslighting by Moscow but the cognitively impaired are duped over and over. Or more likely they are just a Fifth Column who want “globohomo” America defeated and our children ruled by the CCP and their allies.
Your post is essentially screaming GIVE US WAR! WAR! WAR!
It's not gaslighting. How would we respond if China fired its hi-tech long range missiles into the US from Mexico? Can mexican fire Chinese missile systems using intel from Chinese Satellites? No. Wanting to avoid war with Russia is a matter of national security you don't care about.
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