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1 posted on 08/22/2024 1:46:23 PM PDT by george76
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"Boeing won $4.2 billion to develop Starliner, and it has yet to successfully complete a single manned mission."

The numbers and the incompetence boggle my mind.
2 posted on 08/22/2024 1:49:17 PM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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3 posted on 08/22/2024 1:52:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Disgraceful. This will not end well. Boeing and NASA clearly do not have the caliber of people who brought Apollo 13 back home. Boeing has had been working on repairs using a star liner capsule on the ground now for weeks, and it won’t fix. No matter how many times they’ve tried. It looks like SpaceX or nothing.

But hey, Boeing has an engineer with green hair and piercings, so there’s that.


4 posted on 08/22/2024 1:53:31 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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5 posted on 08/22/2024 2:00:34 PM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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Reminds me of the HBO show about the luxury spaceliner that gets diverted in a long path around the solar system, so a trip that was supposed to be a few weeks turns into a few years. And then the crew tries to gaslight all the passengers into thinking everything is fine.


7 posted on 08/22/2024 2:04:46 PM PDT by Boogieman
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DEI can lead to DIE.


8 posted on 08/22/2024 2:04:48 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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"Nappi says he regrets not doing a better job of managing expectations."

Maybe he should regret not doing a better job of building a quality spacecraft.

How was he supposed to "manage expectations"?

"Boss, I expect it to fail on orbit. If it doesn't fail and we get it back to earth in one piece, that will be an unexpected bonus! But don't be surprised when it fails."
He sounds like a typical whiny lib -- "we need to improve our messaging."
9 posted on 08/22/2024 2:10:14 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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Someone needs to sit down with reps from Boeing and NASA and ask them some specific questions.

What specificly is the problem? A leak, or a malfunction in the attitude jets? Or is it both? Did one cause the other or are they separate issues?

How about an EVA? Would visual inspection do any good? Do they have the tools to repair it?

If the issue(s) is resolved, do you have enough Helium left for return? Can it be refilled?

Is it true that the vehicle's software can't be programmed for unmanned reentry?

Is it true that you can't undock the capsule without someone being in it?

This is all stuff I read online. How much is true?

12 posted on 08/22/2024 2:31:55 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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What did they tell the astronauts before they sent them up there?

I think we all know the answer.


14 posted on 08/22/2024 2:36:02 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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And to think we sent men to the moon and brought them home with nothing more than this technology. How far has this nation really fallen? An eight bit byte, just zeroes and ones.

When was Fortran 4 released?
Fortran - Wikipedia
FORTRAN IV was eventually released in 1962, first for the IBM 7030 (”Stretch”) computer, followed by versions for the IBM 7090, IBM 7094, and later for the IBM 1401 in 1966. By 1965, FORTRAN IV was supposed to be compliant with the standard being developed by the American Standards Association X3.


16 posted on 08/22/2024 2:38:02 PM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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Remember when NASA engineers had white shirts, skinny black ties and crew cuts?

Not saying we need to go back to that. My hair is long now but I would still wear a white shirt with skinny black tie.

18 posted on 08/22/2024 2:44:33 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (7,525,799 Truth | 87,979,589 Twitter)
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America doesn’t have the “right stuff” anymore. Imagine what ‘60s NASA and the associated aerospace companies could have done with today’s technology? It’s the people who are failing the technology and the progress. Musk is the outlier.


19 posted on 08/22/2024 2:47:18 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Boeing Staff and Upper Management
22 posted on 08/22/2024 2:52:44 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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ELON will rescue them-—ANS there will be MINTS ON THEIR PILLOWS.


26 posted on 08/22/2024 3:12:27 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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This risk was completely avoidable.

They knew they had a helium leak before launch, but misplaced priorities had an entire team ignore the problem.

The helium provides the pressure to move the propellant to the thrusters that control on orbit and re-entry maneuvers.

Once the leak starts it doesn't stop until the helium supply is depleted, assuming there are no cut-off valves upstream of the leak.

To resolve the problem in space assumes you have access to replace or intercept the helium supply system and you'll need plenty of it because the leak is not repairable in space. So you'll need enough helium to account for the leak rate and the still conduct a safe return.

Good luck determining the leak rate.

29 posted on 08/22/2024 3:22:59 PM PDT by G Larry (Its RACIST to impose slave wages on LEGAL immigrants and minorities by importing cheap ILLEGAL labor)
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musk should start a towing and recovery business for situations like this...


31 posted on 08/22/2024 3:25:11 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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Between NASA and SpaceX, the rocket/aerospace industry has completely changed. NASA used to issue Cost Plus contracts. No matter the original contract bid/proposal, when costs went higher than the original contract, NASA just cut a check. As SpaceX reuses, over and over again, rockets, fairings, etc, the cost of each launch plummets.

NASA no longer issues Cost Plus contracts. Any Boeing Starliner cost overruns are absorbed by Boeing. Starliner was delayed years. In one of the most insane situations ever, Boeing somehow used flammable materials in some of the capsule. After Apollo 1, any talk of fire in the capsule conjures up nothing good. Boeing was used to spending, well, more.

While some of the recent airline/airplane issues attributed to Boeing are really maintenence issues of the airlines, Boeing is so tainted, no one is putting Boeing at the top of the service ladder.


33 posted on 08/22/2024 3:54:30 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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Somebody actually volunteered to go up in those space coffins?


35 posted on 08/22/2024 4:00:09 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo )
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Not in orbit, as in “up and over and around”. More like a “Merry go Round”. Now there suits are not compatible. What a production?...


36 posted on 08/22/2024 4:00:25 PM PDT by mazz44 (http://knowledgeofhealth.com/why-animals-age-they-produce-less-vitamin-c-same-for-humans/)
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We drove fast cars with big engines, bias-ply tires, manual transmissions, drum brakes (no “anti-lock”), and neither transistors nor “electronic chips” controlling the drive train.

Lucky, if we had tinted windows, seat belts, AM/FM radio, front disc brakes, power steering, power brakes, and air-conditioning (after-market add-on).

We had slide rules, drawings, and schematics . . . all worked out on paper.

And we had FORTRAN.

My first computer course was a Sperry Univac 2nd gen.; and the professor was one of the developers of that machine. No monitor. Several RED lights and toggle switches - no cards, but there was a paper tape punch/reader thing.

We made metal, and we were really good at it. A friend made the antennae for the Apollo spacecraft and landers.

When we wanted a satellite view of weather conditions, the image was rendered and printed in Alabama. A USAF pilot would leave Texas, thence to Alabama, thence to Wright-Patterson AFB.

Now days, I find it difficult to accurately convey the focus we had, how we pursued what worked and constantly double-checked things.


39 posted on 08/22/2024 4:14:45 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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