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Scraps of Red Fabric Found in Judean Desert Identified
Archaeology Magazine ^ | July 29, 2024 | unattributed / editors

Posted on 08/03/2024 6:17:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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Dafna Gazit, Israel Antiquities Authority
Dafna Gazit, Israel Antiquities Authority

1 posted on 08/03/2024 6:17:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

2 posted on 08/03/2024 6:19:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did it belong to The People’s Front of Judea, or the Judean People’s Front?


3 posted on 08/03/2024 6:20:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

What have the Middle Bronze Age wool-dyers ever done for us?


4 posted on 08/03/2024 6:22:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s astonishing the chromatography can deduce the origin of a dye down to an insect and they know that that insect can only produce dye one month out of the year. Imagine the business and workers collecting and processing those bugs! I wonder how the ancients figured that out. Human ingenuity never ceases to amaze.


5 posted on 08/03/2024 6:23:03 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: SunkenCiv

Who invented the loom?


6 posted on 08/03/2024 6:25:38 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: dfwgator

I thought WE were the Popular Front?
No, that’s him over there.
Splitter!


7 posted on 08/03/2024 6:28:55 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (Perhaps the Great Ape Lawgiver in the series Planet of the Apes was correct in his view of humans?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Cochineal

The cochineal is a scale insect in the suborder Sternorrhyncha, from which the natural dye carmine is derived. A primarily sessile parasite native to tropical and subtropical South America through North America (Mexico and the Southwest United States), this insect lives on cacti in the genus Opuntia, feeding on plant moisture and nutrients. The insects are found on the pads of prickly pear cacti, collected by brushing them off the plants, and dried.

The insect produces carminic acid that deters predation by other insects. Carminic acid, typically 17–24% of dried insects' weight, can be extracted from the body and eggs, then mixed with aluminium or calcium salts to make carmine dye, also known as cochineal. Today, carmine is primarily used as a colorant in food and in lipstick.

Carmine dye was used in the Americas for coloring fabrics and became an important export good in the 16th century during the colonial period. Production of cochineal is depicted in the Codex Osuna (1565). After synthetic pigments and dyes such as alizarin were invented in the late 19th century, use of natural-dye products gradually diminished. Fears over the safety of artificial food additives renewed the popularity of cochineal dyes, and the increased demand has made cultivation of the insect profitable again, with Peru being the largest producer, followed by Mexico, Chile, Argentina and the Canary Islands.


So if you eat red food or apply red lipstick, you are eating and applying the same bugs the ancient Israelites did 3,800 years ago. How's that for a link to the past!?
8 posted on 08/03/2024 6:32:58 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The idea probably got started when someone swatted one and got red all over their hand. :^)

9 posted on 08/03/2024 6:44:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thought it was/is high pressure...


10 posted on 08/03/2024 6:46:52 AM PDT by sasquatch (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit! c/o piytar)
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To: ComputerGuy

The earliest known is from Egypt.

Weaving of reeds and such to make baskets was done by hand and is much older than that. The earliest trace of basketry, if memory serves, is the impression made by a basket left setting on a moist cave floor. Long after the basket was removed and/or turned to dust, the impressive remains.

It’s likely that basketweaving (at some prehistoric learning annex) led to fabric weaving, just because the steps involved in making thread to weave a fabric are much more complicated.


11 posted on 08/03/2024 6:48:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cheetos’ color also comes from an insect.


12 posted on 08/03/2024 6:53:55 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: ComputerGuy
Who invented the loom?

"When Adam delved and Eve span..."

13 posted on 08/03/2024 7:24:08 AM PDT by null and void (I identify as a conspiracy theorist. My personal pronouns are told/you/so.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There are quite a few products derived from bugs. Shelac is derived from the female lac bug, silk from worms, honey and beeswax from bees, and for the non-squeemish, food. many insects can be eaten (but not by me).


14 posted on 08/03/2024 8:17:05 AM PDT by Omnivore-Dan
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I can tell you how it was discovered.

Someone smashed a bug with a piece of cloth they were holding. The bug guts left a stain on the cloth that did not wash out easily. Since the color was kind of pretty they looked for more bugs, mashed them together and started dropping their yarn and cloth in the resulting goo. After a couple of weeks the bug guts stopped producing the pretty color. Probably still dyed the cloth a color but not the pretty one. So they mostly stopped doing it. Mostly. Because undoubtedly someone was curious enough to keep trying different things and also different bugs. And then 11 months later the pretty color started showing up again.

What blows my mind is pine pitch. Sure you can get the sticky sap from the trees but who came up with the idea that if you put it in an egg shell and sealed it and put the shell over the coals for a while you got something much better?

There is not a logical series of steps I can think of that leads to that.

Heat the sap to make it more gooy? Sure. But the eggshell bit?

15 posted on 08/03/2024 8:57:45 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Cave of Skulls and textile workers making carmine dye. Hmm, whatever could be the connection?


16 posted on 08/03/2024 9:31:31 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“The insect produces carminic acid that deters predation by other insects. Carminic acid, typically 17–24% of dried insects’ weight, can be extracted from the body and eggs”

Rather ironic that the bugs make carmine acid to deter predators, but they get squished by man anyway.


17 posted on 08/03/2024 10:28:04 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: SunkenCiv
This comes from a commentary I wrote on the The Scarlet Thread

(Tola'at aka. Shani worm cocooned in hard shell protecting her eggs (larvae) feeding on Syrian hom-oak leaves

The scarlet worm actually gives up her life in order for the offspring to live. Humans should have such love for their young. Yet in today’s World of selfish individualism, humans would rather sacrifice their young, than sacrifice their future dreams and aspirations. On the third day the mother begins to die, which starts a process where she exudes a crimson dye that colors the baby larvae for life. It is this color that gives them their name the “Crimson, or Scarlet Worm”.

The little ones would then move on from their birthplace and live in the “identity´ released over them. Which is a picture of how we Christians gain our name from the One Who shed His blood on the cross (tree) for us to live. We are covered by His blood. The symbolism of the scarlet rope as it pertains to the salvation of man is amazing. On the fourth day, her hard shell turns into a pure white wax substance that resembles wool. It begins to flake and fall to the ground like a snowflake. One could almost say it resembles the mana which GOD fed the Israelites with for forty years.

Leviticus speaks of the importance of the blood in covering sin, and Psalm 22 refers to the Messiah with these words, for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11 But I am a (crimson) worm and not a man…….” (Tola’at Shani is the crimson worm) Psalm 22:6

for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
Leviticus 17:11

But I am a (crimson) worm and not a man…….” (Tola’at Shani is the crimson worm)
Psalm 22:6
I only shared what is related to this post, but if you so desire, you can read the whole commentary here
The Scarlet Thread
18 posted on 08/03/2024 11:13:21 AM PDT by OneVike ( Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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that should have been “impression remains”, but anyway...

The Basket Age
By Shanti Menon
Jan 1, 1996 1:00 AM
Nov 11, 2019 11:52 PM
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-basket-age

There are two reasons, according to Jim Adovasio, we don’t think of baskets or textiles when we think of the Stone Age. One is that stones and bones, being far more durable, are far more common at archeological sites than artifacts made of fiber. But the other reason, says Adovasio, an archeologist at Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pennsylvania, is a bias on the part of archeologists who study the era. The Upper Paleolithic record has largely been interpreted by males who are closet macho hunters of the steppes—if not explicit ones, he says. Their emphasis has been on stone technology, large-animal hunting, and the accoutrements of machismo. Weaving isn’t as exciting as running around sticking things into mammoths.

And yet it has been around a long time, as four small pieces of clay described by Adovasio this past year make clear. Found at a site called Pavlov in the Czech Republic, they are 27,000 years old—and impressed with patterns that could only have been created by woven fibers. These artifacts push back the date of the earliest known weaving by 10,000 years.

The conventional wisdom has been that a time-consuming task like weaving would only be practiced by sedentary, agrarian cultures. The people of Pavlov were hunter-gatherers, but technologically sophisticated ones— the world’s oldest known ceramics were also discovered at the site. University of Illinois archeologist Olga Soffer was looking for more ceramics when she happened upon a few pieces of fired clay with regular impressions. I had no idea what it was, Soffer recalls, but I knew I was dealing with something important.

When Soffer asked Adovasio to take a look, he instantly recognized the distinct interlaced pattern of woven fibers. High-resolution photographs revealed at least two types of weave. Adovasio thinks the impressions represent finely woven baskets, bags, or mats—he can’t say how flexible the fabric was—which could have been made of milkweed, nettle, or the fibrous bark of alder or yew. How the weave was impressed on the clay fragments is uncertain; the Pavlov people may have used baskets as molds for clay pots, or they may simply have trodden on mats laid on moist clay floors. In any case, says Adovasio, the regularity and narrow gauge of the weaving demonstrate that the technology wasn’t new even 27,000 years ago.

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19 posted on 08/03/2024 11:35:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Don’t wash it with whites, it will bleed all over them...........


20 posted on 08/03/2024 2:32:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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