Posted on 07/30/2024 6:56:58 AM PDT by Phoenix8
Well that sucks...
These are lies. Not one poll in 2016 had Trump winning as I recall.
I remember a couple of days before the election in 2016 a coworker started talking about how Hillary would easily win the election and cited various polls.
I just listened and stayed silent—I never discussed politics in the office.
After the election they never brought up the subject—and neither did I.
:-)
You are really overestimating the intelligence of moderate, undecided voters. People who are undecided at this point are paying zero attention to what’s going on. They’ll look at the last minute, and if they see a vice president, who’s a little bit scary (or is at least portrayed that way), it could sway their vote.
Then I guess you aren’t enjoying the make up of the current Supreme Court. Because like them are not, those moderate establishment types (Mitch McConnell) got us what we have now.
Post 71.
Did you figure it out yet?
The last Oct Surprise that had any teeth was the one pulled on Bush in 2000, but he still got the win.
2016 was the only real upset victory.
Its definitely possible given how few states decide things, Harris could win.
Yeah like Dewey defeats Truman.
Didn’t he predict Biden would win this presidential election? I’d call that a major failure.
You’re changing your argument.
First it was people won’t vote for President Trump because he didn’t select Mr. Rodger’s as his running mate.
Now you’re saying people won’t vote for President Trump because they are too stupid.
This Rugg guy is suddenly quite the doomer. Rich Baris trashes the partisan Lichtman a lot.
no - NO idea. I know Harry Hamlin - LA Law actor and that’s it.
Everything bigdaddy45 said!
Actually I liked Ben Carson but he’s too old and although SO smart and totally MAGA he doesn’t come across as tough and I think we need that
Vivek has never held public office - but neither did Trump. Bergum, who is my cousin, didn’t have any charisma and maybe a bit too old. He could have run the government though.
Although I agreed with JDs single cat lady comment I feel like it probably didn’t need to be said. There were a couple of other things but what the hell....we’ve got who we’ve got. I’m voting Trump!
“ability to set a national agenda”
All Kamala can do is propose agendas unless she is operating with unconstitutional powers behind the scenes.
Is Lichtman saying Kamala is now President?
Is Lichtman saying Biden has had no say in national policy?
Since Biden is still President, any national agenda stays with him, because (in theory) that is where the power lies.
Post 71 was the name of Abraham Lincoln’s Vice President in the election of 1860.
I was trying to demonstrate just how obscure most Vice Presidential candidates are.
Their impact on presidential elections is usually so minimal as to not be measurable.
That is particularly true when you have iconic Presidential nominees (both loved by some and hated by some) like Abraham Lincoln—and President Trump.
More on Hamlin....he got kicked off the ticket in 1864 because he used his tie-breaking U.S. Senate vote to oppose Lincoln on one issue—and that was that.
Let’s look into his predictions.
1984. Anyone could see it would have been Reagan
1988. Bush vs Dukakis. Dukakis didn’t stand a chance.
1992. Bush vs Perot vs Clinton. Maybe I’ll give him this one.
1996. Clinton vs Dole. Dole had no energy and Clinton (I’ll give him this one) knew how to move a crowd. Easy call.
2000 Bush vs Gore. Maybe I’ll give him this one.
2004 Bush vs Kerry. Mr Swiftboat was an easy defeat. 90% of people could have called that race.
2008 Obama vs McCain. Duhhhh how could that have even been a prediction.
2012 Obama vs Romney. Double Duhhhh. Was that even a hard call?
2016. Trump vs Hillary. Ok I’ll give him that one
2020. Trump vs the crook. Doesn’t matter because it was stolen.
So that means his track record, by me, is 3 out of the last 10. If you flipped a coin you would have been right on 1.5 of those.
His wonderful track record basically is 1 correct call.
2000 was so crazy that he does not deserve credit for it.
It was a total toss up by any standard—he had a 50-50 shot of being correct no matter who he picked.
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