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Ukraine has Lost any Prospect of ReCapture, and the War.
Guardian ^ | 7/25/2024 | Self

Posted on 07/25/2024 3:26:11 AM PDT by Jumper

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Syrski states that Russia only invaded with 100,000 men. These numbers are more in line with Russian MOD, who stated that they send 90,000 combat soldiers and 100,000 support troops.

The 2022 retreat of the Russians were in response to Ukraine breaking the agreement to stop the limited invasion, and Russia pulled back to defendable positions. Ukraine essentially believed it's own propoganda believing they actually defeated the Russians, rather than that they had withdrawn to defensible positons so that they could begin the long process of rearming to fight Ukraine.

The article touches on military strength numbers. Ukraine and the West have lied about the Russians since the beginning, from the "Shovels and washing machine parts" to the "massive invasion force", we can now conclude that Ukraine and NATO squandered their 10-1 advantage in theater, and it has now morphed into a situation where Russia has DOUBLED their Tanks, IFVs, etc.

1 posted on 07/25/2024 3:26:11 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper

I’ve never believed this war to winnable. It was Ukranian genocide from the beginning.


2 posted on 07/25/2024 3:27:25 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Trump beat Hilary in 2016. He ended her kill streak in 2024.)
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This should have been stopped long ago. Ukrainians are being slaughtered and for what? The consideration of NATO membership resulted in a predictable outcome. Surrender, negotiate, whatever. The situation is hopeless and was from the beginning.


3 posted on 07/25/2024 3:35:25 AM PDT by johniegrad
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In the month of July, Russia has achieved gains that can not be reversed by Ukraine. This article shows Ukraine still talks of taking back Crimea, and the delusion they can win on the battlefield remains in the mind of the new commander.

The battlefield losses are exceeding 2,000 a day for Ukraine. In May Ukraine lost about 50,000 WIA/KIA, in June it was over 58,000 and July has already exceeded 65,000. Russia is now constantly moving and grinding down everything in it’s path. Russia has another 330,000 mem training for their December/January addition to the war effort. Not mentioned in the article is that Russia added over 300,000 new soldiers in July timeframe and 25% are headed to Syria and Africa.

On the diplomatic front, Ukraine has gone from Insulting China in May and June to begging Bejing for help to get negotiations with Moscow.

On the economic front, Ukriane continues mis-steps with cutting oil off to Hungry resulting in the blockage of electric from the EU to Ukraine by Hungry in response.


4 posted on 07/25/2024 3:39:24 AM PDT by Jumper
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....and Russia has not declared War on the Ukraine.
Russia launched a special military operation
Russia has 2 goals, de-militarize The Ukraine and de-nazify The Ukraine


5 posted on 07/25/2024 3:43:43 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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And to protect the Russian ethics from eventual genocide from the continual pressure of the Ukranian government.

If Putin had been kept to some narrow agenda, war would have been avoided.


6 posted on 07/25/2024 3:46:59 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Trump beat Hilary in 2016. He ended her kill streak in 2024.)
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From day one I said the worst possible outcome would be a slow attritional battle, killing off their best (on both sides) , then a Ukr loss.

Only deep state and China (or are they the same?) will gain from this in the long run. Not Russia, 50 years ago sure. Their birth rate is too low now to re-populate their country and Ukraine with Slavs.

Notice I said with Slavs, the woke western deep state would love to import more Islamists and 3rd worlders to do the job.


7 posted on 07/25/2024 3:47:35 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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This article shows Ukraine still talks of taking back Crimea, and the delusion they can win

This talk is for the sole purpose of keeping the grift going, all on the backs of what remains of an entire generation of young Ukranian men. Out of all the foreign policy disasters given to us by Neocons, this has been the most grotesque.

8 posted on 07/25/2024 3:50:25 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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There is still hope for Russia to recover its population, if it repents and embraces Christianity Orthodox once again.

That’s my hope for Russia.


9 posted on 07/25/2024 3:54:41 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Trump beat Hilary in 2016. He ended her kill streak in 2024.)
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Ukraine's a corrupt country - not worth spilling our blood or treasure to defend. We have our own problems. And there's lots of places more worthy of our attention.

Corruption makes a country weak - makes the people unwilling to defend their homeland. One of the first things Zelenskyy did was make it against the law for military aged men to leave the country. That really say it all. This is a war the 'elties' want and besides we have better ways to spend our money and time.

10 posted on 07/25/2024 4:07:10 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Kamala is the classic “kiss up punch down” boss: -- Freeper cgbg)
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There never was a path to victory. Just death.


11 posted on 07/25/2024 4:09:23 AM PDT by McGruff (Deep State is running the country.)
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You speak these numbers as fact please cite your sources


12 posted on 07/25/2024 4:14:48 AM PDT by blitz128
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NATO used the West to poke the Bear.
And NATO Used YouCrayne warm male bodies to do the poking.
Trump will stop the War, but the Global Homo won’t like how Trump stops it.


13 posted on 07/25/2024 4:17:41 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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And russia raised conscription age to 60, is massively importing soldiers and is keeping Moscow and St. Petersburg relatively immune to this war and conscription

Sounds like winning

Can Ukraine brake back it’s land through military might, no, but the collapse of the soviet union did not happen through kinetic action but a collapse from within

That is where I see it going


14 posted on 07/25/2024 4:18:24 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: GOPJ
Ukraine's a corrupt country - not worth spilling our blood or treasure to defend.

No American blood is being "spilt" there.

By supporting Ukraine, NATO / the U.S. are degrading Russian military assets, and also teaching Russia the valuable lesson that the invasion and annexation, by Russia, of peaceful, neighboring countries is pointless, painful, and will not be tolerated.

The Russians must learn their lesson and renounce their rapacious ways.

Regards,

15 posted on 07/25/2024 4:20:00 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Russia was fine with Ukraine until 2014 when Obama sent Nuland to create instability in the region. The Orange Revolution in Ukraine (stoked by the anal fingers of Obama) was the catalyst for what you see today.

Then the NATO membership request and degenerate homosexual marriage provocation was the final straw for Putin and Russia.

Now the dancing queen Zelinskyy is thinking a Harris win in November will vault his country to victory. Ain’t gonna happen.

This is a lesson for those countries that accept and push the filthy depraved Western Globohomo agenda. Now I Am Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.


16 posted on 07/25/2024 4:30:00 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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No, most likely, Russia is gonna take over most of the country, as they’re doing now, and make it part of Russia. It won’t be pointless when they win, and once they do, they’ll control the world’s breadbasket.


17 posted on 07/25/2024 4:32:09 AM PDT by This_Dude
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From the interview you linked:

“Russia’s successes, meanwhile, came at a staggering human cost. The Kremlin’s casualties were “three times” higher than Ukraine’s, and “even more” in certain directions, Syrskyi said.”

And the actual title is “‘I know we will win – and how’: Ukraine’s top general on turning the tables against Russia”


18 posted on 07/25/2024 4:44:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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“On the economic front, Ukriane continues mis-steps with cutting oil off to Hungry”

Very Hungry.


19 posted on 07/25/2024 4:45:51 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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"And to protect the Russian ethics"

Two jokes in that short sentence. Actually three given that Syrski and a large part of UA military are those Russian "ethics".
20 posted on 07/25/2024 4:52:34 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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