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To: McGruff

There is no way around this simple fact: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

***This caused a war.***

It was our call.

It was foreseeable/predictable.

It was not necessary.

No one can really provide a viable national security argument for why this was needed.

No one can really explain to an average American how this war has made them safer, more wealthy or free.


Any conversation about the wars cause with a supporter of this war, always degenerates into a conversation about some imaginary boogieman, Cold War cliche’s, a threat that isn’t even realistic (the argument that Russia will keep going once they take Ukraine), the use of slogans, personal attacks, and fake moral causes like “sovereignty, democracy, and human rights” which we use conveniently while overlooking those folks allied with us (Saudi Arabia, Jordan) or whom we do massive trade with (PRC) that don’t meet those standards either.

The epitome of dumb slogans being spewed (something like 3 slogans a minute): https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Lloyd-J.-Austin-III-on-Putin.mp4?_=1

If you say “unprovoked” enough, does that make it true?


44 posted on 06/20/2024 5:43:02 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Wow, always accuse your opponent of doing what your doing. The first rule of Russian propaganda.


46 posted on 06/20/2024 5:50:59 PM PDT by Dat
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To: Red6
If you say “unprovoked” enough, does that make it true?

No, it's true because it's true.

We provoked the entire conflict, because it was our desire to hold a proxy war in Ukraine with Ukrainians being the fighters. They mistakenly believed they could put the economic screws to Russia, but the screws are being applied to us. Not only has Saudi Arabia refused to renew the petrol dollar agreement. BRICS is gathering steam and gaining momentum.

The U.S. dollar has been significantly compromised and is now truly a fiat currency. There is nothing backing it up at all, while BRICS is trying to create a currency that is gold backed, and many nations are climbing aboard the BRICS bandwagon.

Even the IMF is now chastising the U.S. for being so financially irresponsible & delinquent. Time to start seeing that the reason we are in perpetual never-ending wars, is because the military industrial complex is an ideal way to fleece the national treasury. It's been used to enrich a lot of Democrats, as well as, RINOs.

95 posted on 06/21/2024 10:24:57 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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