Posted on 06/19/2024 7:01:22 AM PDT by ksm1
I've been on FR since the Bush years, first as a lurker and then more active during Obama and the initial Tea Party movement. Throughout that time, there always has been active and for the most part respectful debate on FR, that sometimes got a bit heated but we all basically wanted the same thing for the country, even if it meant different ways to get there.
With the Trump years, I was skeptical of Trump at first in 2016 since he was an unknown, but then he won me over when he was actually President. You can find my posts from his years in office where I defended him. That said - there was enough left on the table, like a number of bad hires who kept undermining him, that I wanted to see a competitive primary and a candid discussion on both his record and what would be different this time around if he gets the nod.
Well that's when things got weird. We never had that discussion. It just became a yelling match, and if I wanted to do that, I'd just go join those Palestine weirdos on college campuses. No thanks.
Guys, Bob Good had an excellent 100% conservative voting record. Trump primaried him for his one and only crime which was endorsing DeSantis, even though after the primary, Bob Good came to visit Trump during his trial in NYC.
This isn't giving me any confidence that Trump has learned from his mistakes of bad hires and bad endorsements. We should have completely dominated the 2022 midterms but a number of bad endorsements sabotaged us. Dr. Oz? Seriously? Yes Arizona had some shady things with their election, but there were a bunch of other cases where Trump endorsed a weak candidate - OR, he's been backing people who DO win and then vote RINO when it counts. We can't keep saying "we want better people in Congress" and then let things like this slide.
Why I care: the grassroots activist right has always played an important role. I saw during the Bush years on FR that we'd organize campaigns to write letters to Congress to push for our values. Same during the Obama years, which is how we prevented Obama from doing a lot of gun grabbing and so forth. There was minimal of that during the Trump years. It was just "trust the plan". This isn't helpful. Politics was meant to be an active process that citizens participate in. During the Trump years, it seemed to turn into just a spectator sport. That's not how this is supposed to work.
Is this really what we want, no real political power because we actively are pushing RINOs into office to replace conservatives, but at least we "own the libs" with snarky internet remarks? Is this really the best we can do? And look, I know the left is unfairly attacking Trump, but Trump or ANY Republican needs to get pressured from the right as well, so he actually does what we want. I know the left is going to attack Trump, or anyone to the right of Rachel Maddow for that matter, but it's really getting frustrated that any pressure for accountability *from the right* is dismissed or actively trolled.
Bob Good shouldn't have even been in a competitive race. He was as solid as they get. This is getting ridiculous.
Your posts show that I’m right about that. If you support McGuire over Good, you’re for a more liberal, less conservative Congress. Period.
It’s a very red district. he’s proven he can win in that district, as he has done so previously.
IF McGuire wins, it will be only because of blind, automatic party loyalty. I’m not sure he can.
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Funny how many FReepers criticize Good for once being a Never Trumper and how right Trump was to throw him under the bust.
And yet when Trump shortly picks a veep candidate who was also once a Never Trumper.... Why that’ll be fine. That’ll show wisdom and intelligence on Trump’s part.
blah blah blah
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Except Good was never "Never Trump." He showed up in New York during Trump's trial. He just endorsed a more conservative candidate.
I took the time to explain my position. Please explain yours
It was always Trump First. In fact, it's always been Trump Only.
Thank you. Very well put.
Desantis has a lane but then Trump was indicted and the campaign was over. Trump had massive vulnerabilities in the primaries but the Dems helped him immensely.
Just wow! In my eyes, Military service is always a positive. I wish more of our elected officials had served.
Which proves it’s not at all about issues or principles.
Didn’t happen. It’s Trump cult propaganda lies.
Your posts show that I’m right about that. If you support McGuire over Good, you’re for a more liberal, less conservative Congress. Period.
I'm for Good in Congress AND I'm for Trump in the WH. What part of that are you not understanding?
No, he did not. He even showed up at the trial, where he got attacked fo rit by the likes of Laura Lunatic.
Trump has an animus against the Freedom Caucus because they didn’t blindly support his more liberal policies. It’s that simple. He hates them.
Good is on record as stating that Trump should not be considered for 2024 due to the lawfare being waged against him.
Good basically endorsed the tactic of lawfare by the other side. Which gives the Democrats the power to remove any Republican candidate they don't like simply by filing trumped up charges against them.
You clearly do not understand Massie. He wants to eliminate the national debt, not continually increase it. We should stop raising the debt limit. Why are you so devoted to Big Government?
He did not flip-flop either. He has had a consistent view. That’s why MAGA hats him. Trump has none of those. His consistency and his willingness to fight for solid conservative policy make Trump look bad.
Why are you trying to disrupt Trump’s November victory?
False. He did not.
Does he see it that way?...I don't know, and really don't care.
For 40+ years most folks here (including myself) have supported candidates that stabbed us in the back(Bush x2, McStain, Myth...too many to count).
Will Trump end up on that wall of shame?
Odds say yes...unfortunately.
Believers are told NOT to put their FAITH in "humanity", and not look at THIS world as their FINAL "resting place".
...that their "eternal" SALVATION comes from a higher authority...that only dwells in THIS world as spirit...not in the flesh.
I myself was not brought up with any "faith" reasoning, therefore it's a struggle every day to look at this world today and not be frustrated.
But I am still a work in progress, who HAS learned ONE lesson...
...the train is coming, I better have my ticket.
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