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To: dayglored

I would be interested in an exercise to “improve” the Constitution.

Some people like to say it’s just perfect and we just need to follow it. But we are now in a bad place, and the Constitution was insufficient to save us from ourselves. So I do think there is room for improvement.

As an example — yes, WE know what the Second Amendment says, but the actual wording seems have been “difficult” for some people to grasp. And now we have 10,000 gun control laws. The wording could be improved.

Taxes, tariffs, term limits and treason are all areas that could have been handled better — and that’s just the letter T.

I think working on an update would be worthwhile and I think a Constitutional Convention is needed.


8 posted on 06/03/2024 12:21:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: ClearCase_guy
> an update would be worthwhile and I think a Constitutional Convention is needed.

You are proposing a 55-gallon drum of worms there. Or maybe a 10,000-gallon tanker of worms.

Do you really think we would not simply end up shredding the Constitution and replacing it with a Socialist Manifesto?

IMO, much as I agree it's tempting, let's not go there.

14 posted on 06/03/2024 12:24:40 PM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I would be interested in an exercise to “improve” the Constitution.

It has no enforcement provision. Legislators can pass, and executives can sign, blatantly unconstitutional bills. Even when the resulting "laws" are rejected by courts, the legislators and executives face no consequences for their misbehavior and violation of their oaths of office.

16 posted on 06/03/2024 12:27:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The General Welfare clause and the Commerce clause both need to be clarified to what the FF's had in mind. They have been abused to the point of absurdity.

The basic problem with the Constitution is it was debated and ratified when the people of that new Nation still had traditional values that were working for the Colonists.

The Founders couldn't foresee the incredible change and lose of those values over time. Certain Articles and Amendments tried keep the Contract in tact, but they didn't have a crystal ball and couldn't see how much society would change for the worse.

I've studied each Article and Amendment to see where certain language could have been included to support those passages. I see the error was in the debates of the Constitutional Convention and haggling over wordage, rights, and especially structure of government. Some of the now State's delegates want an absolute federalize government. Others were firm in their States's Rights position.

Our U.S. Constitution is a compromise between differing States and their own ideas of the power and final say of our Federal Government vs State Government. IMHO, that is why our Constitution is lacking in the precise wording needed to clarify so many Articles and Amendments.

NO! I DO NOT WANT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. It will give some a chance to de-construct, through amendments, the opportunity to push their favorite issues.

20 posted on 06/03/2024 1:05:08 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021? )
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think working on an update would be worthwhile and I think a Constitutional Convention is needed.

I very greatly doubt our current crop of morons could do better than the geniuses that were the original framers.

27 posted on 06/03/2024 2:20:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just because Americans are becoming illiterate, and don’t know how to use a dictionary is not a good reason to change the Constitution.


31 posted on 06/03/2024 3:36:19 PM PDT by The_Harlequin (…the time will arrive when you will learn to judge for yourself of what is going on in the world, wi)
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