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Proof young women are opting out of casual sex?
The Spectator ^
| 05/29/2024
| Amber Duke
Posted on 05/29/2024 8:36:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The popular dating app Bumble was forced to apologize recently when its anti-celibacy advertisement didn’t land the way that it had hoped. Bumble tried to tap into many women’s frustration with modern dating, telling women who are having trouble finding a significant other that “a vow of celibacy is not the answer.” But whoever is on Bumble’s marketing team failed to realize that many women are opting out of casual sex and hook-ups as they realize they prefer settling into a long-term partnership before they engage in a sexual relationship. Others are taking a break from dating…
The popular dating app Bumble was forced to apologize recently when its anti-celibacy advertisement didn’t land the way that it had hoped.
Bumble tried to tap into many women’s frustration with modern dating, telling women who are having trouble finding a significant other that “a vow of celibacy is not the answer.”
But whoever is on Bumble’s marketing team failed to realize that many women are opting out of casual sex and hook-ups as they realize they prefer settling into a long-term partnership before they engage in a sexual relationship. Others are taking a break from dating entirely, as they feel a deep dissatisfaction with the current landscape, which seems centered around fleeting physical attraction and short-lived connections. On TikTok, the #celibacy hashtag has had more than 195 million views and Google searches for “celibacy” were up 90 percent in January 2023.
Women let Bumble know that they did not appreciate the ads, which seemed designed to shame them for their choice to save their bodies for someone special. Bumble apologized in turn. “We made a mistake,” the company said. “Our ads referencing celibacy were an attempt to lean into a community frustrated by modern dating, and instead of bringing joy and humor, we unintentionally did the opposite.”
Some Gen-Z TikTokkers refer to the trend as going “boy sober,” and the reasons why young women are swearing off the hard stuff (apologies) are numerous. Liberal and progressive women argue that it would be irresponsible for them to engage in meaningless hook-ups when abortion restrictions and bans have made the stakes of an unwanted pregnancy much higher. (Ironically, this is exactly what pro-life activists have long encouraged women to do; practice safe sex or abstain to avoid getting pregnant in the first place, rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy after the fact).
Other women acknowledged that they choose celibacy because they do not believe it’s empowering to give up sex to a man who does not meet some bare minimum standards. There is an important acknowledgment here that having sex with men who don’t treat you right or who don’t actually want to commit to you only engenders their bad behavior and incentivizes it. As the old saying goes, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?
The backlash to Bumble’s ad doesn’t change the fact that a lot of young women are still having casual sex. The American Psychological Association found that 70 percent of sexually active 12-21 year olds reported having a casual sexual encounter in the past year. What is different, though, is that young women are starting to associate their dissatisfaction with the dating scene and negative feelings about themselves with their choice to engage in hook-up culture. According to the Institute for Family Studies, “an APA survey of 1,468 undergraduate students found that 82.6 percent reported negative mental and emotional consequences after hook-ups, including embarrassment, loss of respect and difficulties with maintaining steady relationships.” Similarly, 78 percent of women and 72 percent who engaged in uncommitted sex acts experienced regret over their actions. The Journal of Sex Research says engaging in hook-ups and the number of hook-ups are correlated with rises in depression and anxiety, which are reaching crisis levels in young people.
Louise Perry, author of The Case Against the Sexual Revolution told the Guardian that many young heterosexual women “now feel as if they have to run the gauntlet of hook-up culture if they want to have any kind of sexual relationship. I think a lot of them, quite fairly, would rather not have any sexual relationship at all.”
Women no longer buy the feminist lie that casual sex is “empowering” or gives them some special kind of agency over their own body. They are able to differentiate between “intimacy” and “sex.” And they don’t want to be with men who only desire them for what they can offer physically.
Of course, the rise of celibacy among young people is not all good. It is certainly better from a mental and physical health perspective to avoid unsatisfying sexual encounters that lack any real long-term connection. But some researchers believe the decline in young people having sex can be attributed to things like video games, social media and pornography. So while some people are choosing be voluntarily celibate, others are not having sex because they are simply unable to make real personal connections in a world gone digital. This comes with its own set of negative consequences for mental health and family formation. Young people are getting married later and later and many don’t expect to marry or have children at all. The US birth rate has cratered. None of this bodes well for society, which thrives on healthy and robust family structures.
So, what’s the answer to this problem illuminated by Bumble’s unfortunate anti-celibacy ad? Young women are right to lay off casual sex until they find the right man, but they shouldn’t give up on love entirely. Statistically, the happiest group of women are married mothers. That’s something worth staying in the game for.
TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: casualsex; dating; fornication; mansophere; mgtow; pua; redpill; relax; socialmedia; women; youngwomen
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To: grey_whiskers
studies on dating sites show that women rank 90% of men (90% of the count of men) as ",in the bottom 50%" (of attractiveness.)
Most people don't take dating sites as an accurate representation of the real world and with good reason. Men far outnumber women on those sites, so of course the women can afford to be choosier than men. In environments where women outnumber men (e.g. college campuses, nursing homes) it's the men who are choosy. This is not even getting into the men who whine about how lonely/sexually frustrated they are while also ignoring every woman who's not an 8 or above. IOW male hypergamy.
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posted on
05/31/2024 12:00:53 AM PDT
by
FormerFRLurker
("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
To: alexander_busek
I put “men” in quotes because real men are like Harrison Butker. Men who xcrew women only for release that they could get by masturbating or who xcrew women only for notches in their sexual belts are “men” in name only.
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posted on
05/31/2024 5:53:59 AM PDT
by
yldstrk
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To: SeekAndFind
The American Psychological Association found that 70 percent of sexually active 12-21 year olds reported having a casual sexual encounter in the past year.
Why is that an age group? Why would you not split that at 17 or 18 since that's the age of consent in most States? What legitimate benefit is there to lumping 12 an 13 year old sin with college students in a sex survey?!
To: FormerFRLurker; grey_whiskers
Most people don't take dating sites as an accurate representation of the real world and with good reason.The cognoscenti are well aware of the fact that the data from dating sites is somewhat flawed - but what better statistics do you have?
You rightly point out that dating sites are dominated by males - that, in itself, is a telling datapoint!
In environments where women outnumber men (e.g. college campuses, nursing homes) it's the men who are choosy.
You have statistics to back up that claim? Even if you do, I doubt that they will be more robust than the dating site stats - probably based on polling data collected on a handful of campuses, in which a measly few hundred co-eds were interviewed.
This is not even getting into the men who whine about how lonely/sexually frustrated they are while also ignoring every woman who's not an 8 or above. IOW male hypergamy.
Can you cite any studies corroborating this claim?
You seem awfully adept at pulling outlandish claims out of your... hat... and using them to buttress your arguments.
Regards,
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posted on
06/02/2024 3:29:16 AM PDT
by
alexander_busek
(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
To: metmom
Female solipsosm at its finest.
Your one example becomes the rule for all.
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posted on
06/02/2024 4:31:34 AM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: Svartalfiar
What legitimate benefit is there to lumping 12 an 13 year old sin with college students in a sex survey?! No legit purpose, but a hope to further legitimize pedophilia.
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posted on
06/02/2024 4:33:39 AM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
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To: SeekAndFind
One son met his wife when they were 13 years old. They started dating in high school. They got married at 24. I have two granddaughters.
The other son wanted to become a pastor and moved to Texas. Through friends he met at church he met his wife. He soon realized that it is difficult for a pastor to earn enough to support a family. He became a police officer.
Both boys seem to have dodged the modern sex scene bullet. Neither of them believe in divorce...something we hope we taught them...and they both love and respect their wives.
My sister just passed away. She bought into the sexual revolution. Two husbands and MANY boyfriends over the years. It led to low self-esteem, drugs, and bulimia. She died alone, penniless, and miserable. We found her body after two weeks. We were lucky the dogs didn’t eat her. She made her decisions and lived with the consequences.
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posted on
06/02/2024 4:52:49 AM PDT
by
Crusher138
("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
To: alexander_busek; grey_whiskers
You rightly point out that dating sites are dominated by males - that, in itself, is a telling datapoint!
Yes, a telling datapoint that women are less interested in casual sex than men, despite the Sexual Revolution's propaganda. It's not exactly news that casual sex is better for men than for women. Nobody with an ounce of sense looks for a life partner on a dating site.
You have statistics to back up that claim? Even if you do, I doubt that they will be more robust than the dating site stats - probably based on polling data collected on a handful of campuses, in which a measly few hundred co-eds were interviewed.
There's not much point in giving links to someone who's clearly already made up his mind, but here ya go anyway:
NIH Study on Loneliness in University Students (Sample size 538 students)
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Gallup Poll on Stress and Loneliness in University Students (Sample size 2,430; 41% female college students reported loneliness compared to 35% male college students)
Can you cite any studies corroborating this claim?
Go onto any incel site and let me know how many are willing to settle for "Beckys" instead of "Stacys". Now I know that incels are not representative of men in general, hence my words "This is not even getting into...". But it would be equally foolish to pretend they don't exist or that male hypergamy is confined to the incel community. Men naturally want the best looking woman who will have them and there is nothing wrong with that. It only becomes a problem when the man chooses hatred and violence against women rather than to settle for a woman he can attract, even if she is below his standards.
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posted on
06/02/2024 12:29:46 PM PDT
by
FormerFRLurker
("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
To: FormerFRLurker; grey_whiskers; alexander_busek
But it would be equally foolish to pretend they don't exist or that male hypergamy is confined to the incel community. Men naturally want the best looking woman who will have them and there is nothing wrong with that. That's not quite the definition of hypergamy, to be blunt.
Hypergamy can be expressed by the adage "women marry (and date) UP."
The corollary, is even when dating, if the man stumbles, or a much better man (who she thinks she can land) comes along, she will dump the first guy, whether forcing a fake crisis, "I have to find myself (under the other man, that is), or "this just isn't working out".
(70% of divorces are initiated by women; I have read that among college-educated women, that number goes to 90%).
While men may have a floor under which they won't date or sleep around (*), the difference is, if the man is more or less content with his woman, he is not continuously looking to trade up.
(*) slumming by top 10% men among the 6's and 7's excepted, as it is sporadic. The exception, among women, is the difference between "Mr. Right" (marriage) and "Mr. RIGHT NOW!" (hawt, worthy of a fling or one-night stand, but after the deed is done, "it doesn't count" because reasons (I was out of town / on Vacation / in Europe, it was only a BJ, he used a condom, or even the ever-popular "shut up." And yes, I have seen a video within the last 12 hours, over on patriots.win, of a woman saying it doesn't count against her N-count, if he was wearing a condom).
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posted on
06/02/2024 2:08:15 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: grey_whiskers
Hypergamy can be expressed by the adage "women marry (and date) UP."
The corollary, is even when dating, if the man stumbles, or a much better man (who she thinks she can land) comes along, she will dump the first guy, whether forcing a fake crisis, "I have to find myself (under the other man, that is), or "this just isn't working out".
Men are more likely to divorce their wives when the wife is diagnosed with a terminal illness than a woman is to leave her terminally ill husband. Is that not a man trading up to a younger and healthier woman? And we've all known men who trade their wives in for younger models once the wife starts showing signs of age. Trump has done it twice.
Men 6x More Likely to Leave
While men may have a floor under which they won't date or sleep around (*), the difference is, if the man is more or less content with his woman, he is not continuously looking to trade up.
While men are less likely to initiate divorce than women are, they are more likely to cheat. 20 million, or 1 in 6 married American men, were on Ashley Madison before it was hacked. That's an awful lot of married men looking to trade up from the woman they've got.
Forbes: 20 Million Men Active on Ashley Madison
Men are indeed less likely to initiate divorce than women are because divorce laws favor women, but they are more likely to cheat or otherwise stop fulfilling their part of making the marriage work. I'm not convinced that's any better. A woman whose husband is unfaithful faces a decline of living standards for her and her children (affairs and illegitimate children cost money), shows up to couples' events alone (affairs take time away from the marriage), and takes on more responsibilities, both domestic and bringing in income, as her husband checks out of the marriage. She is already a divorcee in all but name.
The exception, among women, is the difference between "Mr. Right" (marriage) and "Mr. RIGHT NOW!"...
How is this different from the dichotomy men make between "wife material" and "thots"?
...but after the deed is done, "it doesn't count" because reasons (I was out of town / on Vacation / in Europe, it was only a BJ, he used a condom, or even the ever-popular "shut up."
I know a lot of women with unfaithful husbands. Replace "he used a condom" with "she was on the pill" and the excuses are identical. It's not a woman thing; it's a cheater thing. Both men and women should avoid known cheaters for best results.
And yes, I have seen a video within the last 12 hours, over on patriots.win, of a woman saying it doesn't count against her N-count, if he was wearing a condom).
That says something about that one woman, not women as a whole. For all your comments to metmom about solipsism, you appear to have a touch of it yourself.
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posted on
06/02/2024 6:43:05 PM PDT
by
FormerFRLurker
("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
To: Jonty30
Can you clarify what you are saying?
To: Jonty30
Oh I think I see your point. Yes, women have been programmed to be complete 304s. Once upon a time there were cliques in HS where you knew who the easy ones were; now it all over. College is 10x worse.
To: metmom
Hey MM. Women are the gatekeepers to sex. Men are gate keepers to commitment and resources. If they give those away for nothing, the opposite sex views them as low value. Its hard wired biology.
To: KC_Conspirator
What I mean by that is that women invest a bit of themselves in every guy they sleep with, even in casual sex. Not getting a commitment from a guy ends up hurting women.
There is a term that is used in casual sex to describe women who sleep around. It’s called the 1000 c*ck stare. It’s the look a woman has who has slept with multitudes of men and realizes her only value to a man is her willingness to open her legs.
There is no equivalent term for a man who has slept with multitudes of women and couldn’t get a commitment from them. The only harm a man might suffer, if he is able to sleep around with women is that he develops an in ability to really connect with a woman, but it doesn’t hurt him as it does a woman.
I’m saying, in light of the reality that sleeping around hurts women more than men, that men should be cognizant of that and not be so willing to sleep around but try and value women for what they have to offer outside the bedroom.
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posted on
06/02/2024 8:03:01 PM PDT
by
Jonty30
(He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
To: KC_Conspirator
It is and it hurts women. More than just being a 304, but having to try and deal with inexperienced men who would like to have settled down with a woman with comparable experience to him.
I’ve read enough from marriage/divorce sites how hurtful to the men it is when they find out how many men their now wives have slept with. When she has misrepresented herself, it’s often grounds for divorce for the man or at least causes him to pull back from the marriage mentally.
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posted on
06/02/2024 8:06:24 PM PDT
by
Jonty30
(He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
To: KC_Conspirator
Claiming women are the gatekeepers of sex, is only an excuse for man’s lack of self-control.
It’s just blame shifting the responsibility for sexual purity onto women.
If men want virgins for wives, then they need to stop hypocritically pressuring women into having sex with them and then looking on them with contempt for giving them what they pushed for. Men condemn in women (sleeping around freely) behavior they justify in themselves.
It’s hypocrisy. If men want pure women, give them pure men.
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posted on
06/02/2024 8:34:49 PM PDT
by
metmom
(He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
To: SeekAndFind
I have always thought that women CONTROLLED...THEY HAD THE POWER...THE MORALITY OF A CULTURE.
I hope this report is true.
To: FormerFRLurker
The rationalization hamster spins, unsuccessfully.
Yours must be running at 7800 rpm by now.
Men are more likely to divorce their wives when the wife is diagnosed with a terminal illness than a woman is to leave her terminally ill husband. Is that not a man trading up to a younger and healthier woman? And we've all known men who trade their wives in for younger models once the wife starts showing signs of age. Trump has done it twice.
You just moved the goalposts for three reasons:
1) Leaving because of health reasons is not the same as leaving a healthy partner fur purely hedonistic reasons: for illness, the person leaving is fearful, not greedy.
2) Leaving to "trade up" means the male partner is never secure in the relationship.
3) Terminal illnesses are more likely at the end of life, then in the prime of life; and children are more likely to have left the home.
4) What are the total percentages? Apples and oranges, just to use a "tu quoque" fallacy.
Arguing from emotion, just like a woman.
While men are less likely to initiate divorce than women are, they are more likely to cheat. 20 million, or 1 in 6 married American men, were on Ashley Madison before it was hacked. That's an awful lot of married men looking to trade up from the woman they've got. Forbes: 20 Million Men Active on Ashley Madison
1 in 6 is still less than the rate of divorce overall. And some men are looking for a secret fling; whereas a divorce is ALWAYS known by the partner (duh).
Men are indeed less likely to initiate divorce than women are because divorce laws favor women, but they are more likely to cheat or otherwise stop fulfilling their part of making the marriage work. I'm not convinced that's any better. A woman whose husband is unfaithful faces a decline of living standards for her and her children (affairs and illegitimate children cost money), shows up to couples' events alone (affairs take time away from the marriage), and takes on more responsibilities, both domestic and bringing in income, as her husband checks out of the marriage. She is already a divorcee in all but name.
Lay off the bullshit.
A woman who is cheated on, does not face prison time or loss of ability to earn a living by court-ordered revocation of professional licenses, than a man who has been divorced. And, again, far more divorces happen than affairs: how many of the women on Ashley Madison were real instead of fakes to generate traffic to the site? How many of the 20 million actually managed an affair?
The exception, among women, is the difference between "Mr. Right" (marriage) and "Mr. RIGHT NOW!"...
How is this different from the dichotomy men make between "wife material" and "thots"?
The difference is that you pulled that sentence out of context in order to make a specious argument. I brought this up to show how hypergamy manifests in women, but that men are not continually looking for "something better" and you twisted it to make it look like I was praising the men sleeping around, and condemning the women. Typical female dishonesty and male-shaming. The contrast between the top 10% of men slumming, and the women doing "Mr. Right Now" (say, a BJ in the men's room of a sleazy bar, or taking him home for a hot and sweaty romp) is that men are not expected to dress in white at the wedding, and a man's loss of virginity is not considered a deal-breaker for marriage: women look for providers (or used to), and for someone who will be faithful to HER from now on, not necessarily for a man who has never been with anyone else.
I know a lot of women with unfaithful husbands. Replace "he used a condom" with "she was on the pill" and the excuses are identical. It's not a woman thing; it's a cheater thing. Both men and women should avoid known cheaters for best results.
Again, you're lying, and in favor of women. The reason that a man rationalizes "she was on the pill" is that (contrary to your earlier argument) it means he is less likely to have a bastard child, which would draw money and time away from his wife. But when a woman says "he used a condom" (particularly in the example I saw earlier today), that means that the sex never happened, she doesn't have to include it in her notch count, or tell her next LTR about it. Incidentally, pointing out a video re-posted on patriots.win is not solipsism: I mentioned the viedo because that video showed I was not making up the accusation that women lie about their notch count.
How is this different from the dichotomy men make between "wife material" and "thots"?
Women lie about their notch count when trying to land a man for marriage.
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posted on
06/02/2024 9:00:51 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: metmom
Women will sleep with a hawt man to try to get him to commit, or just for fun.
It used to be, women saved it for marriage. Now they're not.
The two flaws in your accusation are:
1) women will go have sex in the Caribbean, or in Europe, and it doesn't count, because strong empowered. Also shut up.
2)When women are sleeping with hot men, guess who they're not sleeping with? Right. The 90% of men not in the top 10%.
On the dating sites, women rank 90% of the men into the lower 50% of attractiveness.
And a LOT of those men never have sex at all; unless they manage to grab a 30-something who is done riding the carousel, and marry her long enough for her to have a child and then divorce him. You can even find women online openly talking with each other about "starter husbands" i.e. they are planning to divorce him all along. But he doesn't know that..
But the women blame all men in general, for their own sins with the hawt men when they are youung.
As Jack Nicholson said, "I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability."
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posted on
06/02/2024 9:38:49 PM PDT
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grey_whiskers
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To: alexander_busek
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