In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Q ~ Trust Trump's Plan ~ 05/26/2024 Vol.493, Q Day 2403, Bob Ireland wrote: Well, we seem to have disparate views of the current situation. Also, I think your singular determination has misled you in places. When I say, 'Americans need to stand up' you respond with 'Trump has stood up.' One of us is talking about chickens and the other about geese. Did I criticize Trump in any way? I say Americans need to stand up and I give some good examples, examples tried in history and you respond with the idea that those standing up would be punished by the masses that don't care about Constitutional abuses. You wouldn't have been very popular in the American Revolution. You seem to say not to fight or do much of anything and somebody else will solve our problems.
When Q said 'WWG1WGA' and to beware of divisions arising, I interpret that for me to stand up with Trump, the Republicans to stand up with him, our representatives to stand up with him - which I later posted such by a group of Senators. Is it your theory that those Senators will be arrested or thrown out of the Senate?
To think that we can sit back and enjoy our coffee while our champion is threatened with prison and possible murder - well, as I say, not in the American Revolution.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. If they come to get me for standing up against them and accusing me of insurrection and do me harm - well, give me liberty or give me death! WWG1WGA❗
Did I criticize Trump in any way?
No, nor did I intend my remarks to imply it. I was likely too vague - I meant he correctly stood up with Jan 6 Americans to display the will of the people to hold their government accountable. He was right, the protestors were right. None deserve the CCP 'treatment' they received. They have been used as (false) proof of the threat to democracy since that point; infuriating that those champions are deemed threats to democracy!
When we talk about protests now, I am looking for 'how is this situation different' and 'what needs to change this time?' or 'how can we make that(those) protest(s) most effective?" Trump asked for protestors at his arrest - protest is good when used wisely. I just want to see something more than I've seen/heard to separate legitimate protest from the kind of protest Deep STate or agency protestors have in mind. How to prevent Jan 6 infiltration and providing more 'optics' to those claiming MAGA is dangerous? I don't want to give the Deep State optics opportunities whenever I can avoid it.
You wouldn't have been very popular in the American Revolution.
I see the American Revolution as the right strategies given resources and man power. That of course was a shooting war and what you are proposing is protests and public support. Right there I don't understand why those working the information war hotlines would presumably be failures in the eyes of Revolutionary War heroes. Those first American warriors were never in today's information war trenches and it doesn't diminish my gratitude and respect for them.
The Revolutionary War determined the course of freedom. I don't rule out the idea that a modern country could one day be placed under the kind of threat that would require Revlutionary War (modified) strategies and tactics. But Q and Q+ have been very clear that they do not want war and civil unrest. The 'Storm,' is based on Q/Q+'s strategies (stability) and communications (Q drops) and "the military is the only way" as well as the Q22.
I haven't seen how best we could borrow strategies from the Revolutionary War to the current tyranny. Simple logistics make my brain hurt - Revolutionary warriors could flood the zone because they didn't have to drive cars through known routes to reach protest sites etc. There's the need for protestors now to organize protests ahead of time to ensure they are free from violent (gov) instigators and in order to arrive in masse to put on an effective show of public support. At the same time, there's Brandon's DHS monitoring cell phone traffic for organizers and details. So I believe there are ways we can and should protest, but I don't see 'hurling ourselves against the doors' (acting without strategy) in protest.
If I were alive during the Revolutionary War, I would have known the resources, some or at least one of the leaders, and more useful information of needs and how to meet them.
Sadly, I am not a very impressive marksman and lack the valour of combat warriors, and my limited strength would see me take up a role for which I am more suited, perhaps caring for the wounded or working together with peers to support those who fight, get the word out, (ride on horseback yelling Reeeee!). I adapt to the circumstances, look for resources and like minded people to support and encourage, and I am said to be stubborn IRL so I hope I would do justice to America's Revolutionary war effort.
There's a meme around here saying, "If you've every wondered what you would have been doing during WWII, you're doing it now." You're not on a thread with 'unengaged' coffee drinkers; adopting your (Bob's) personal perception of best courses of action is not a litmus test to determine who among us 'really' cares that Trump is being tormented, who among is is willing to sacrifice, or even to die for their country.
You seem to say not to fight or do much of anything and somebody else will solve our problems.
We really will have to agree to disagree there - I have no idea where and when I have ever said anything like that. I've quoted Q's 'stay together' and WWG1WGA etc. If you're implying that by holding a different view about how best to support President Trump, I'm pushing my responsibilities off on others - you're flat out wrong.
I do believe we will all likely have opportunities to protest and provide other visible, in-person support for the President (e.g., protests, campaigns etc.). Trump's strategies are peace and stability and support for the rule of law, had they been different tactics, I trust Americans to rise to them. America has always bled red, white and blue and I believe our military in particular would willingly die before surrendering to the Deep State. Many civilians would put their lives at stake in the way you suggest had this battle between Good and Evil required it, particularly if they had any understanding of what defeat for America would have meant. I support Trump's strategy (rule of law, comms, peaceful resistance) and that doesn't make me, or anyone else, lazy cowards.
I wouldn't public protests during Trump's current trial would be a good opportunity because the DS would manage the optics to their advantage. The MSM is warning that MAGA will now become violent - why give them the chance to 'spin it'. There are times to protest, but I want to have reason to believe it will have impact, and see a strategy behind it, and not protest to give directionless expression to my justifiable fury. There's never any focus in statements like, "We need to be doing something!" You might inspire more successfully if you detail your vision - just my 2 cents.
Is it your theory that those Senators will be arrested or thrown out of the Senate?
No, the DS is selective in attacking targets easily taken down. A person who merely walked into the Capitol on January 6 is easier to 'make an example of' via placing them in a windowless gulag than is someone like Donald J Trump. As I said, if they were to harm him now, the public would react in ways it never would have before. They know and gauge reactions/resources etc.
To think that we can sit back and enjoy our coffee while our champion is threatened with prison and possible murder - well, as I say, not in the American Revolution.
We're nearing our 500 thread effort to win the information war effort and we have many battles behind us (and more ahead). Bagster used to grumble that those who insist we're 'sitting back and enjoying our coffee' did not take into account his effectiveness in red-pilling and keeping comm lines open in the forum, despite his reliance on oxygen tanks and his inability to walk more than a block on a good day (or to walk at all on a bad day). It's as if he was being told he'd done nothing with his time, energy and patriotism when he was striving to literally give his last breath to fight.
Q put us to work on the information war lines - they were quite clear about it. I might be more persuadable if those who feel I advocate inactivity would at least acknowledge that a) there is a massively important information war going on and we are fighting in it under the leadership of Q/Q+ and b) many redpillers inside/outside the Q movement have sacrificied hours of their time with family and friends on a daily basis, during holidays, despite chronic debilitating illness etc. to 'man their posts' in the information war. If we stop 'manning our posts' the Deep State takes the ground we've gained and restores false reality to as many as possible. The information war is decisive - how could Trump lead anyone if we don't keep correcting the record of what he wants, says, does etc.
Bagster didn't hold a sign and stand outside the courthouse, as some valuable patriots did, but he contributed fiercely, tirelessly and with dedication; how is that 'doing nothing?' He stopped producing the Oracle long after the effort began significantly destroying his health; he perservered because he saw the need to unify our knowledge.
Many peeps on this thread have confided the challenges they face (the range and size of the challenges are limitless) and yet they serve where and when they can, they are serving in the battle for humanity we're in. Because of people not at rallies right now, but at their keyboards, the White Hats are winnng the information war. Q and Q+ went out of their way to recruit for this ongoing information war because they have advanced knowledge of how important comms are to regaining our freedom.
There will be times when all who can will 'go public' and attend protests (i.e., 2nd amentment protest) and attend rallies etc. But those who are online are serving the information war too.
My efforts at rallying interest to call senators/congress critters were not very successful. But I could see results when fighting pharma shills over Covid 'vaccines'. I go where I'm needed and I pray about that - what I should say, where I should spend my time, what thread resources are falling apart and need work etc. If you are, today, called to stand with those you list in person - I salute you. I do not urge you to stay with those whom you feel are inactive and relaxing over coffee.
When I first saw that Q was real, I was devastated that I coudln't see a means by which I could support the effort. But like others, I was led to ways that I could contribute. I don't rule out contributing in person at protests, but until I genuinely see where God would have me go, I continue to man my post.
To think that we can sit back and enjoy our coffee while our champion is threatened with prison and possible murder - well, as I say, not in the American Revolution.
Our champion has been threatened with prison and possible murder since he was elected. At that time I was asleep and when awakened in fall of 2017, I began to serve in the information war and have done so every since. Not soon enough? Not willing enough? Not long enough? Too selfish of me? Lingering over my coffee too long?
For the first 3 years I didn't want the role of MQD because based on my work experience and personality, I am best for research/analysis roles. But I couldn't find anyone to take my place, although I asked a few people, and eventually I perceived the need I was filling.
What is routinely missing from exasperated complaints, about perceived inactivity of our dedicated patriots volunteering in the information war, is any sort of strategy
What is your strategy, Bob? Please tell me where you feel protestors would do the most good and how you will join or rally them. We need numbers at protests - I'm not good at in-person recruiting and public speaking, but maybe you are. Or have you found a group or groups worth supporting? Then share the information about the groups so we can assess and update our knowledge and potential need for comfortable shoes with which to attend protests.
Just trying to shame those who aren't in protest lines right now doesn't cut it. We may ALL, to the best of our ability, serve time in protests or at rallies, collect signatures or funds for the effort, at various times but for now, I know my calling is in the information war, where at present, I can do the most good.
Perhaps your skill set as a communicator, organizer, motivator etc. is leading you to invest your efforts in the visible displays of support you might be referring to. Prayers up for your success in wherever you are called.
