Posted on 05/18/2024 3:16:25 PM PDT by RandFan
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them."
And who said this:
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none."
Wow. You sound exactly like a Joe Biden State Department girlboss.
Its how disputes, including territorial disputes, between countries have been resolved since WW2, rather than declaring war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes
One thing to note about the Neocons is that they NEVER have any problem with domestic issues, such as Open Borders, cutting the dicks off of little boys, or men posing as girls and winning athletic titles.
Think about it, have you EVER heard a Neocon comment on these types of issues. I certainly haven’t...probably because they agree on these issues, since most had previously been Democrats.
LOL, sure, CIA mind control forced the feeble minded Ukrainians onto the street in protest or was it Nuland handing out cookies?
OR Ukraine's people wanted to join the EU for its much higher standard of living vs some Russian-BananaStan Economic group.
What international law stops Ukraine, an independent country from joining any economic or military alliance including NATO?
“There’s your trouble. You’ve invented your own definition of “neocon” that isn’t at all accurate.”
Apparently the Chad M. definition is whatever he read in the Encyclopedia Britannica. Maybe reading Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz and a few old copies of Commentary Magazine would broaden those horizons.
That’s right. We were fed a pack of lies. The government is so big and corrupt now, they just do what the hell they want and no one so far or few have been held accountable. We’re up the ass of every country in the world, from the Congo to Ustinkistan. This sh*t has to end.
Then Trump comes along and trends towards peace and negotiation in lieu of war, wants to put America first instead of this never ending hundreds of billions funneled to foreign countries for whatever the latest reasons are. And these people responsible for these endless foreign policy dumpster fires say Trump is unstable, dangerous, a racist and nazi. I’ve personally had enough of paying for foreign countries, their issues and squabbles all while watching America, our security and economy at home, this country killing debt, lawless open borders, all while here at home everything is going to hell. My give a s**t button is broke.
Yet only 12 years after Washington’s death, the British set fire to the old Capitol building.
(...and I’m glad they did...!)
Just as I did...
Do you have a ferret in your pocket?
“merely serving makes one a warrior?”
I served and believed in the mission.
“America is a shell of what it was when Reagan defeated the USSR without firing a shot. In just three decades we have ceased to be an industrial power. The goverment is in debt to an astounding degree. We’ve imported so many alien peoples that there is no more common American culture in places like California. All of the happy talk in the world won’t change that. “
Completely correct.
And exactly the same pattern in every Western country.
And what have they said that diverges from the classical neocon definition? Since you know so much.
You have triggered the Israel Firsters.
That's because they won't tell us their real agenda (and their statements are so opposite reality as to be easily dismissed). So we have to judge them by their actions and track record. Whether it's forcing homosexuality and other perversions and delusions down people's throats worldwide, turning nations like Iraq and Afghanistan into puppet states of our enemies, fomenting genocide and driving Christians into exile, shutting down elections (Ukraine, Moldova) and driving elected governments into exile, or whatever, it's been quite the track record since the Reagan era.
???? This is craziness. Neocons have always been against what would now be called the LGBTQ agenda. Where do you get such notions?
I live in a country that has invaded more countries and toppled more foreign governments in my lifetime than the rest of the world combined. What does Putin have to do with this?
What the hell do covid shots or rainbow flags have to do with international disputes between countries?
You came onto this thread and promoted some kind of “rules-based international world order.” (1) What makes you think those “rules” are just, and (2) Who makes them?
I ask Question (2) because I know the answer is: “I sure don’t.”
When you redefine “isolationism” as any skepticism of foreign entanglement.....
The only way found to defeat Nazi Germany ended up feeding 1/2 of Europe in Stalins maw (and incidentally turned China communist) Enslaving half of a devestated Europe under totalitarian rule isn’t exactly the shining triumph you seem to think it was.
“ The founders lived in a very different world where isolationism could be practiced. It’s delusional now.”
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Yes, it’s delusional. Look at the formerly existing nation of Switzerland which had the stupid idea of intentional non-involvement in other people’s wars. The stupid Swiss descended into poverty and soon no longer existed as a nation. Their idea of putting Swiss interests above the interests of foreign nations was unsustainable. We must not be like Switzerland and place America’s interests first. If we do that America will eventually, like Switzerland, cease to exist and our people, like the Swiss, descend into poverty and despair.
NEOCONS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!
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