Posted on 05/13/2024 3:16:33 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
Joe Biden's 2022 Nord Stream pipeline destruction had nothing to do with it then, sweetheart? That was a major long term impact.
"Peaceful solution" so he can proceed with subverting Ukraine the way he was before the Maidan, instead of expending ordnance. Cheaper.
No-one who has negotiated with Russians has ever seen them live up to their agreements. Of course Boris Johnson gave the advice he did.
Putin's expressed objective is the "Russification" of Ukraine. Obliteration of its' borders, its' language, the Ukrainian church, everything. Cultural genocide, on the way to Russky Mir.
“Joe Biden’s 2022 Nord Stream pipeline destruction had nothing to do with it then, sweetheart? That was a major long term impact.”
The only reason I don’t believe Biden had anything to do with that is because it went off successfully.
>>>>My husband fought the Russians and he killed some of them too. Now I want their evil empire put to a final end so they no longer pose a threat to anyone else ever again.<<<<
Why won’t you answer Robert’s question, meggie?
I’ll ask you again, where and when did your husband fight the Russians?
As both you and MeganC claim, though neither you have proof of that being the reality. However, had that become the reality then there would have been united support for getting involved including Western Europe. Don't even bother to bring in Neville Chamberlain.
Because it was worth the attempt, even though it failed.
It was then fully understood that, in that case appeasement was just that. However, Hitler had already shown his propensity to take military action, even if the claim was accurate that the majority of the inhabitants were German peoples.
But as it stands now, it is just the two of you, and most likely the rest of the Zeepers, opinion as well. But opinions are not reality. So, it would have been worth finding out what the reality would have been. Instead, we are involved entirely based upon conjecture & opinion. In addition, we would have had undisputed truth that Russia had broken the tenets of the peace agreement.
Just a wait a longer, just add a few more sanctions and Russia's economy will be in tatters and the people will revolt and Putin will be driven out of office.
Not even the Western media can hide the fact that Biden's sanction war has been failure:
https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645
It is now abundantly clear that Russia has defeated the Western sanctions regime that was intended to cripple its economy and force its withdrawal from Ukraine. Instead of collapsing, the Russian economy is growing rapidly. Russia's GDP grew by an impressive 5.5 percent in the third quarter of 2023. Final figures for the year are not yet in, but Russian GDP growth for all of 2023 should exceed 3 percent. Ironically, the Russians are doing rather better than those who imposed sanctions on them. In 2023, the U.S. economy grew by 2.4 percent while the German economy shrank, and the EU as a whole grew by less than 1 percent.
So, then, let's end the war, kill the growth Russia is experiencing because its in a war time economy and let the sanctions destroy Russia's economy. Why not?
Could it be because it's OUR economy being given a boost by this this war, as Mitch McConnell pretty much admitted when he was pushing for more foreign aid to Ukraine?
Or is it because we know Russia's economy will be much stronger than before the war began once this war ends as it now is in possession of territory that once comprised 70-80% of Ukraine's GDP? Which is it?
“Or is it because we know Russia’s economy will be much stronger than before the war began once this war ends as it now is in possession of territory that once comprised 70-80% of Ukraine’s GDP? Which is it?”
Russia has an economy the size of Italy’s . Even with a strong growth rate, it will still be miniscule compared to the US or China or others
It works like Obama's economic plan. It was passed in 2009 but still hadn't kicked in by 2014? It just need more time like the sanctions against Russia do.
You should be embarrassed to have made that claim.
Russia has overcome the sanctions and now has no dependence on the West whatsoever. It's found other trading partners for its abundance of oil and natural resources, including two of the largest countries in the world, China and India.
I've seen the videos from Russian grocery stores and malls -- the Russians have access to everything they had before the war began. McDonald's is now Tasty, Starbucks is no Stars, etc.
The grocery stores in Russia are as full as any here. Inflation for food is less, if anything, less than it has been here and in the West.
The sanctions have actually been a blessing in that they have forced wealthy Russian investors to spend their money instead of Russia than in other parts of the world.
Yet, still has surplus in its treasury while we're adding a trillion dollars to the debt every hundred days.
For some strange reason, you seem unconcerned about are massive budget deficit and inflation rates.
The only reason I don’t believe Biden had anything to do with that is because it went off successfully.
Tell that to the Navy Seals. Even Joe Biden couldn't hinder the Seals on a mission.
Do you reference for that claim?
We're the ones being flooded with immigrants sucking up tax dollars from our cities and states. Who knows how many Muslim terrorists are flowing over our border along with the Chinese nationalists, drug and sex traffickers, gang members and violet criminals.
We and Europe are the ones with pro-Hamas protesters disrupting our countries, not Russia.
Your post is actually classic case of projection. Everything you're claiming is going to go wrong in Russia is going wrong here. Yet, your focus on Russia. Go figure.
Maybe that is one of reasons, it's economy, despite Biden's sanction war, is growing faster than our economy and any prominent Western one.
The Top 25 Economies in the World
1. United States
2. China
3. Japan
4. Germany
5. India
6. The United Kingdom
7. France
8. Russia
9. Canada
10. Italy
And, never mind Russia, thanks to the failed proxy war in Ukraine that Biden started, is now aligned with China and India.
BRICS is more than formidable economic coalition.
Robert asked you for clarification on this statement and so did I. But all we get from you, meggie, is crickets.
You who always responds to anti-UKE, pro-America posts in record time, remain silent on this one.
I never thought you were a natural born American.
The Russian space program is also in dire trouble due to lack of funding and the failure to develop reusable boosters. The Russian capacity for satellite launches and space exploration are much reduced and are unlikely to ever recover their former strength.
Russia may end up occupying a substantial slice of Ukraine but it will have little economic benefit to Russia because, even now, she lacks the people and technical resources needed for proper development of her economic potential.
One reason why the US and Europe continue to support Ukraine is that the war and sanctions are diminishing Russia in the long term. That helps to reduce the threat that Putin and Russia represent to the West.
The problem of illegal immigration to Russia has been covered frequently in the Russia news media and in official statements. You are, I am confident, capable of finding examples of that through internet searches.
A major reason why Russia was heavily sanctioned soon after it blew the pipeline. They'd sold billions worth of long term contracts at pre-war production prices. Blowing the pipeline created a Force Majur allowing Russia to renegotiate contract pricing of gas shipped via Nord Stream I and other pipelines. Increasing profit by decreasing supply. The West saw right thru it and had the sonar tapes to prove it.
Yanukovich did a 180 degree u-turn regarding participation in the EU, and instead tried to ink an agreement with Moscow instead, which is what set off the Maidan revolution. Then he flees to....Moscow! What more do you want?????
Your lawyerly arguments are irrelevant. We aren't dealing with honorable people here, we're dealing with Russians. I've got books full of evidence of Russian perfidy in Ukraine prior to and after 2014 in my library, written by respectable historians. Not your colleagues' anonymous yewtoob videos. Well researched and densely footnoted. Online timelines published by news organizations like BBC from 2014 bear them out.
Or shall we talk about a REAL coup attempt from 2014, led by one O. Bahtiyarov, complete with Molotov cocktails, intending to overthrow the interim government left in place after Yanukovich fled. Funded by a Russian entity calling itself the "Eurasian Youth Union'. Much more recently, Ukraine disrupted a plot to assassinate Zelensky.
How much more subversive do Russians have to be before you'll recognize it?
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