[for-q-clinton]

Hybrids are typically the worst of both worlds. Double the weight and slower than both ICE and EVs.

And fuel efficiency isn’t that great, especially if you get one that has some power. Then the batteries go bad and it costs a ton to replace them. All the negative of both ICE & EV.

Hydrogen or Natural gas would be better.

[Dr. Sivana]

Hybrids are typically the worst of both worlds. Double the weight and slower than both ICE and EVs.

The last generation of Toyota hybrid was available in both ICE and hybrid. The hybrid model only weighed a couple of hundred more pounds (smaller battery, smaller ICE). The hybrid version has less horsepower (200 vs. ~280) and a LOT less torque (267 lb-ft compared to 163 lb-ft).

On the other hand, the hybrid version gets ~40 mpg vs. 25-30 mpg for ICE.

Toyota batteries are proven technology, and last plenty long, and replacing a smaller hybrid battery is less expensive than replacing a full EV battery.

That said, I do not like the additional complexity of the hybrid, so I have the 2018 ICE version, and will maintain that forever rather than buying the hybrid successor.

[Bonemaker]

“Hydrogen or Natural gas would be better.”

Gasoline better yet. Don’t fix what ain’t broke.

[frank ballenger]

RE: Hydrogen or Natural gas

That reminds me I should put on the first Led Zeppelin album.
Album sleeve was a classic.

[GenXPolymath]

I had a 2023 Prius for 12 weeks on a short term lease. I lease cars on the regular all over the planet as a geologist. It was as fast as the Corolla ICE it replaced. It also was returning 75mpg over ten mile trips on grid lock traffic where an ICE would be lucky to return 15mpg seen both in similar sized cars in L.A. traffic. The highest I saw was 82mpg over a 16 mile trip.

The car shows you a per trip since engine start, per tank, or up too five user defined intervals the MPG,avg speed,avg moving speed, time stopped, distance.

At 80mph it was avg 58mpg over a 440 mile trip including climbing up over the mtns on the way to Vegas.

So I would say your points are conjecture not facts when was the last time you personally drove a modern as in newer than 2020 hybrid? Toyota is kicking butts and taking names with hybrid tech.

[GenXPolymath]

The 2022 venza has the new gen three power split like the Camry,Prius and Corolla. It should have at least 170hp that’s plenty for a small SUV. You also should have the new Lion cells not the NiMH cells the former nickel cells last into the 200k miles range Lion cells have twice the cycle life of the older cells I would be surprised if you ever need to replace them do you keep cars into 300K+ miles? I have never owners a vehicle with more than 150k and those are commuter cars which get replaced at 5 years are or 150k whichever comes first.

There are at least two companies they rebuild Toyota hybrid packs the older Prius/Corolla packs can be had for $1200 and good for unlimited more miles if you buy the $700 extended warranty on them. Going from 28mpg to 50+ over 100,000 miles at $3+ per gallon is 22mpg better or 4500+ gallons saved at $3 per gallon that $13,000+ in fuel savings a $1900 pack is nothing compared to the reduced fuel costs laugh all the way to the bank my friend.

[Gigantor]

Double the weight? I have a 2019 Ford Fusion Hybrid and it is not double the weight of the non-hybrid.

[DAC21]

“Hybrids are typically the worst of both worlds. Double the weight and slower than both ICE and EVs”

Ummm ok.