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NATO Expansion Would Be an Epic ‘Fateful Error’ (Eisenhower 1951)
LA Times ^ | 7/7/97 | Eugene Carroll

Posted on 02/10/2024 5:14:17 PM PST by hardspunned

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was the first NATO supreme veallied commander. Shortly after assuming that post, he wrote these words in February 1951:

“If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project [NATO] will have failed.” One can only wonder at his reaction today if he learned that 46 years later, the United States was the dominant force in a plan not just to continue our powerful military presence there but to enlarge NATO’s responsibilities and increase U.S. costs and risks in Europe. If his granddaughter, Susan Eisenhower, is any guide to his reaction, he would not be pleased. She gathered an impressive group of 49 military, political and academic leaders who joined her in signing an open letter to President Clinton on June 26 that terms the plan to expand NATO “a policy error of historic proportions.”

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To: hardspunned

Shut up

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-planned-to-drop-12-atomic-bombs-on-japan


21 posted on 02/10/2024 6:26:02 PM PST by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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To: MeganC

Did Patton have enough winter gear? German army was defeated in Russia by the brutal winter. With 12 time zones, Russia is very hard to conquer. Japan is designed to be nuked with highly dense population. USA could not defeat North Vietnam, Afghanistan and made a disastrous blunder to take out Sadam who was keeping Iran under control and there was no ISIS under Sadam.


22 posted on 02/10/2024 6:43:29 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (She )
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To: Bobbyvotes

The key to conquering or defeating Russia has always been Moscow. That’s a critical flaw of the gross centralization practiced in Russia.

In 1945 all phone calls went through Moscow. Obliterating that city would disrupt Soviet command and control.

Erich von Mannstein wrote of this and so did Winston Churchill.


23 posted on 02/10/2024 6:51:05 PM PST by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: MeganC

Not going to happen. Russia has the biggest deterrent in form of biggest stock of nukes. And those are not located in Moscow. 12 time zones make USA look small with just 3 time zones.


24 posted on 02/10/2024 6:54:36 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (She )
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To: Bobbyvotes

Russia also has 12,000 main battle tanks of which around 3,000 are functional. A far worse ratio will apply to their nuclear weapons which require frequent and very costly maintainence.

It also doesn’t help that, so far as I can tell, Russia has not produced or reprocessed a nuclear weapon since 2017 when their Mayak facility suffered a nuclear accident and was destroyed.


25 posted on 02/10/2024 7:34:16 PM PST by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: hardspunned

Eisenhower supported NATO expansion by promoting German rearmament, the creation of the Bundeswehr, under NATO, against French opposition. He wanted the Euros to become responsible for their own defense.

Longer term that didnt quite work because of the Euro demands for social welfare spending. And THAT was largely necessary to counter Soviet subversion, to keep pro-Soviet parties from making Euro countries neutrals. Its forgotten today how powerful communist parties were in postwar Europe. The Soviets fought their holy war on many levels.

That danger faded (but never went away), when Europe generally achieved an incontestibly superior public standard of living vis a vis the Eastern bloc.


26 posted on 02/10/2024 7:49:40 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ConservativeMind

The 1997 article claims that a resurgent Russia was a “chimera”. Well, thanks largely to the subsequent development of Russian energy infrastructure, that “chimera” turned out to be quite real.


27 posted on 02/10/2024 7:55:47 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: MeganC

I can give you 10:1 odds, no country is suicidal enough to nuke Russia. May be except Iran. But Putin gets along with Iran. May be if Zelensky had a nuke he would bomb Moscow. May be Biden will give Zelensky a couple of nukes. Biden ensures a win in 2024 by staring a war with a Russia.


28 posted on 02/10/2024 8:55:13 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (She )
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To: Az Joe

29 posted on 02/11/2024 3:46:39 AM PST by Pollard (Hi)
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To: Bobbyvotes

“May be if Zelensky had a nuke he would bomb Moscow.”

If Ukraine had retained their nukes Russia never would have invaded in 2014.


30 posted on 02/11/2024 9:50:55 AM PST by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: MeganC
If that idiot Eisenhower had listened to General Patton

LOL. And just how many world wars have you won?

31 posted on 02/11/2024 9:53:16 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons... )
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To: Sirius Lee

How many battles did Patton win that Ike didn’t want him to win?


32 posted on 02/11/2024 10:01:33 AM PST by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: MeganC

Zero.


33 posted on 02/11/2024 10:03:24 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons... )
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To: MeganC

If if if ...


34 posted on 02/11/2024 10:04:36 AM PST by Bobbyvotes (MAGA all the way with PDJT!)
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To: MeganC

This is from from General Alexander, sir, reminding you that you are not to take Palermo.

Send him a message, Cod. Ask him if he wants me to give it back.


35 posted on 02/11/2024 10:05:13 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MeganC

Lol, the political and diplomatic decisions had already been made. There was zero chance of the US invading the Soviet Union. If you think Eisenhower had any choice in the matter, you are woefully ignorant of history.


36 posted on 02/11/2024 10:13:53 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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