Posted on 12/30/2023 5:38:12 AM PST by MtnClimber
... from a short-barreled carbine. They had no problem with the 5.56 when the barrel was at least 14.5", witness the fact that the HK 416 remains the gold standard with the snake eaters. But those guys love their 10-in barrels, and that was the 6.8 SPC's strong suit.
RE: the new .277 Sig Fury cartridge, what’s been lost to history is that Army Ordnance did testing in the 1920s and determined that the Goldilocks cartridge — the perfect balance of lethality, recoil and ammunition weight — would be something in the .27 to .28-caliber range. That’s why John Garand built the M1924 prototype for his M1 in .276 Pedersen. But then the Secretary of the Army, a certain Douglas MacArthur, insisted that the new battle rifle be chambered in .30-06 Springfield on account of the Army had 3 billion rounds of the stuff left over from WWI.
Garand’s prototype also used a detachable box magazine, but Army Ordnance feared that would lead to ammunition waste so they specified that all submissions to the test would have to feed from a fixed internal magazine of no more than 10 rounds capacity.
There’s a lot of pearl-clutchers who bemoan the new .277 cartridge because it’s not a .30-cal when in fact the .30-cal was never the top choice. The .30-cals (.30-06 & 7.62xs51) only won out because it was more economical to shoot up all the old stuff.
And Garand still gets criticized for not having the foresight to give his masterpiece a detachable box magazine in the first place when in truth he already had seen the writing on the wall in WWI the form of John Moses Browning’s detachable box magazine-fed, select-fire M1918 BAR. It’s Army Ordnance, not John Garand, who were responsible for that omission.
I have a Mini 14 with a Zeiss 3X9 scope. Great for busting coyotes. I took out a large sow pig with a shot in the ear.
True. No M1 Carbine ammo in stores. Had to order online
My study of hunting round ballistics tells me that the .270 Win/150 grain bullet combination packs a greater punch in the 3-400 yard range than does the .30-06/150 gr. bullet. I’d presime there is a similar relaionship with 7.62x51 and 7x51. Without the option of expanding bullets, I suppose that tumbling will be the method of achieving wound cavitation. Velocity should be high enough for fragmentation at nearer ranges.
I’ve never seen a 350 Legend. But it is a straight wall case, with limited cartridge length maxed at 2.26” in a normal AR-15 magazine length. But I think I read somewhere that there are lever actions and bolt action rifles available in that caliber.
When I did a little searching about the caliber, I was surprised to read that several states had outlawed my old 30-30 because it is necked down. What are these idiots thinking?
It has been said that more deer have been killed with a 30-30 rifle than any other rifle.
Sigh. Oh, to live in a more sane time.
Necked down 30 caliber cartridges have been king since before I was born. You can still never go wrong with a 30-06.
My father killed his last whitetail buck at 400 yards with his Remington 700 30-O6 rifle. Don’t remember the year he did that, he died 2-1/2 years ago at 94.
He was an armorer during WWII.
Yeah, I think the rationale behind the .350 Legend is to keep shooting ranges relatively short. 400 yards...and a .30-06 may go a lot further...is a long ways in populated Eastern States...not so much in the wide-open West. If it was anyone’s intent to steer hunters away from the AR platform, it blew up in their faces.
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I have no issue with the platform. In the beginning I felt it was a puny cartridge. I’ve gotten over that by working up heavy loads, for shorter range applications.
I’ve only recently built my first AR. But the rounds I am using is an old carry over from the days when my brother was shooting a 22-250. That is a very popular rifle caliber here in Texas today. Gun smith friend of mine, told me that there is a fairly higher price paid for used 22-250 Rifles here. Has been that way a long time.
Several years ago, I was trying to plan for an AR-10 build. My gunsmith talked me out of that project, he knew the sources I was planning to buy from. There were issues.
But now, I have another source and I expect I will buy/build their version. Good People. I’m really pleased with my AR and that I bought most of the parts from. I can get excited about .308 (7.62x51 NATO).
So, who is the new go-to for AR-10 components?
Asking for a friend.
I refuse to deface my “greatest battle implement ever devised”, I like it just the way it is!
There is a nearby gun range on a ranch that has a natural backstop. It is a 1,000 meter range. They operate by appointment. Have never seen an event there, but don’t drive that road very often.
I shot some photo’s of it the last time that way. It is near the highway. When you get out of your car and look at where it is set up, it makes a lot of sense. Good use of natural surroundings.
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