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Although the EVs fell short of their touted range, gas-powered vehicles tend to meet or exceed their EPA fuel-economy values.

Not mentioned - outdoor temperatures.

1 posted on 12/15/2023 7:31:39 PM PST by Libloather
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Yep. Sounds like a situation ripe for a class action lawsuit for false and misleading advertising. Let’s see Mary Barra and Farley bullshit their investors out of that one.


2 posted on 12/15/2023 7:39:20 PM PST by technically right
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I have no problem with new ideas, new technologies. What I have a problem with is having these technologies forced upon me. I live in Buffalo, New York. I am going to let everyone in on a little secret. It gets cold here, and we have snow. Sometimes a lot of cold and a lot of snow. If I am driving an internal combustion engine, the heat from that engine is transferred into the cabin of the vehicle, and I do not freeze to death. In an electric vehicle, the energy that would have been used to provide motion for the vehicle has to be diverted to provide heat. It will cut down on the range. In the middle of a raging snowstorm, when I am desperately trying to get home, I really don't want to have to choose between trying to make it to my destination, or keeping myself warm. This trade off might actually prevent both.

Maybe the technology will improve. Maybe they can find a way to charge an electric vehicle in less than a minute. (I can refuel my ICE in that amount of time). Maybe electric vehicles will have the power and persistence I need to get through a snowy Western New York winter. Maybe it will also be economical. When this happens, we can talk.

3 posted on 12/15/2023 7:44:38 PM PST by fhayek
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Lithium ion batteries lose ~25 percent of charge capacity after approx 200 discharge cycles.

So range starts small, and after a couple of years shrinks even more.


4 posted on 12/15/2023 7:49:40 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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I love my diesel sedan.Comfortable,well equipped and I can do (and have done) 810 (highway) miles on a tankful in it.And then it took me 4 minutes to refill it at a station down the street from my house.

EVs? No thanks! Not in this lifetime.And not in the next.

6 posted on 12/15/2023 7:59:39 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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Don’t forget going over the Grapevine towing a trailer!


7 posted on 12/15/2023 8:03:37 PM PST by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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The biggest difference between quoted and actual ranges was observed in a 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Lariat Extended Range, which starts at around $70,000.

It ran out of juice after covering 270 highway miles, 50 miles less than the EPA 320-mile estimate, according to a test by Consumer Reports.


The "Extended Range" model can supposedly go 320 miles? The average pickup has a single-tank range of 400+ miles. How is 75% considered "extended"?! Shouldn;t that be the "Short-Range" model?
8 posted on 12/15/2023 8:10:46 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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Virtue signaling elites drive Teslas in California and on the East coast. Only a fool would buy or lease a GM or Ford EV.


9 posted on 12/15/2023 8:13:57 PM PST by allendale
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There are a lot of variables with an EV that ICE vehicles just don’t have & that limit their potential as a long distance vehicle. Maybe they should come with solar panels on the roof and a diesel generator in the trunk.


10 posted on 12/15/2023 8:33:37 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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iirc that guy wi the ford had a hard time just making it 50mi...


11 posted on 12/15/2023 8:39:32 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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My favorite story was about the guy who abandoned his F-150 Lightning on a road trip this past summer. Couldn’t get anywhere with it.


12 posted on 12/15/2023 8:47:49 PM PST by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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EVs are right for ….. nobody


14 posted on 12/15/2023 8:53:43 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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Try driving one of those high priced pieces of crap between El Paso and Dallas TX.


15 posted on 12/15/2023 8:54:16 PM PST by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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I have no sympathy. EV companies give misleading ranges as a normal course of business. They hide it in fine print. That big range requires traveling at 35mph, etc. Only idiots dont know this.


16 posted on 12/15/2023 8:57:59 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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How much does it cost to “fill up” an EV?


17 posted on 12/15/2023 9:05:05 PM PST by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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But, but, but, teh 0-60 times are teh fastar!!

Oversized electric golf cart fanbois.


21 posted on 12/15/2023 9:31:33 PM PST by doorgunner69 (When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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Even if you believed in the Carbon Hoax electric cars make no sense. They are heavier requiring more energy to use them. The energy that they use is from some other man made source so you lose extra energy along the way because of that as well. The market never happened for them because they are inferior to gasoline powered cars . Only Government meddling has made their widespread use possible.
23 posted on 12/15/2023 9:48:26 PM PST by Nateman (If the Pedo Profit Mad Moe (pig pee upon him!) was not the Antichrist then he comes in second.)
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Great point. So long as it’s 72 degrees out it’s easy living.

Just be thankful they haven’t forced us into EV jumbo jets.
Optimal manufacturer’s promise of 4,800 miles ends up at 2,900 miles and a bunch of people hoping a jet can float in the Atlantic between New York and London.


25 posted on 12/15/2023 10:40:42 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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When the range promise is not met by results, the EV owner can pull out the Plan B scooter.....

https://www.target.com/p/razor-power-core-e95-electric-scooter-blue/-/A-52514643?ref=tgt_adv_xsp&AFID=google&fndsrc=tgtao&DFA=71700000086346118&CPNG=PLA_S


27 posted on 12/15/2023 10:47:15 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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Here I Florida there’s a proposal to tax ev owners 200 dollars a year because there’s no tax revenue coming in from the charging vs gasoline tax.


33 posted on 12/16/2023 3:34:31 AM PST by lilypad
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I had a 1950’s VW Beatle that didn’t come with a fuel gauge, it was a real drag.


34 posted on 12/16/2023 3:47:43 AM PST by Babba Gi
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