Steph and Kayla on their wedding day.
The hopeful parents have spent $30k and three years pursuing IVF.
I think I know what the problem is. The little spermies are committing mass suicide.
Posted on 11/22/2023 8:40:07 PM PST by Morgana
A lesbian couple seeking to become parents have spoken out about the cost involved with IVF, saying that they have spent over $30,000 since 2020 trying to get pregnant.
In an interview with Australia’s 9Honey, Steph and Kayla said in 2020, just one year after they began dating, they knew they wanted to start a family. “We looked into it pretty quickly after getting together, because Kayla didn’t want to be 30 and still trying for a child,” Steph said.
Among both gay and straight couples, IVF has become incredibly popular in Australia; according to 9Honey, one in every 18 babies is conceived through IVF. Steph, however, said they weren’t prepared for the astronomical costs involved. “We drained our bank accounts pretty quickly, then our weekly wages. We would pay our important bills like rent, then everything else would go into IVF,” she said.
So far, they have gone through 15 rounds of IVF, every one of which has failed. This likely resulted in the deaths of far more than 15 preborn children, as most IVF cycles create more than one embryo.
“In the last few months, we’ve had to have that conversation like, ‘At what point do we stop? At what point do we just say it’s OK for us to not have a family?'” Steph said. “The question is still unanswered. We don’t know at what point we’re going to stop, but we know that it’s not going to be too far down the road. We’re not going to go through this for another three years.”
One of the problems with IVF is that it involves the purposeful creation of embryos, which are — despite their tiny size — human beings. And those human beings are routinely destroyed, because they aren’t “high quality” embryos, or because they might have a genetic abnormality like Down syndrome, or even because an IVF round failed. Yet this couple’s only regret seems to be monetary cost, not the lives lost.
“If we could have seen into the future and seen how much money we would have poured into it, we probably would have gone down a different avenue,” Steph said. “We probably could have adopted a child from overseas and the amount of money we spent on IVF, and we would have been just as happy doing so.”
Adoption can be expensive; however, in this couple’s home country of Australia, it is significantly less expensive than IVF. A child can be adopted without untold numbers of their brothers and sisters being killed along the way, and a child ideally deserves a mother and a father. Yet societally, children have been turned into not a privilege, a life with whom adults are entrusted, but a right that people deserve to obtain by any means. Rather than being acknowledged as human beings with their own rights and value, children have been turned into products to be engineered, created, and even disposed of at will.
Though the desire to become parents is often quite strong, children are not possessions to be bought or created at will, at times deliberately depriving them of the knowledge and presence of a biological parent.
Thanks for actually quoting verbatim the passage you have cited.
Oh, wait... You didn't.
Further, my Bible contains no book entitled "Hezekiah."
Of course, there is a king named "Hezekiah" discussed in 2 Kings, Isaiah, and 2 Chronicles.
But without pointing to the exact passage you have in mind...
Regards,
Wondering how many women like Kayla with morbid obesity actually manage to defy their obvious metabolic disorder and manage to carry a pregnancy…
Flounder got married.
I disagree with your examples. Let me offer a different one.
In the abortion debate, people talk about the "viability of the baby." In that debate, several different milestones are offered.
First, there is the "heartbeat law." Some people say that abortion should be banned after a heartbeat is detected.
Next is the "can feel pain" argument. People say that abortion should be banned when the baby can feel pain, which then implies pleasure, hunger, comfort, and all the other senses that defines us as human beings.
Then there is the "viability outside the womb" argument. People say that abortion should be banned at the point where the baby can live on its own.
I'm not even going to discuss "partial birth" milestones.
So, if we have a viability debate at the point of living on its own, then why can't we have a viability debate at the beginning of life, too?
A fertilized egg cannot live on its own. That's not an arbitrary point in time. That is biology. The zygote MUST implant itself with the uterus lining to survive. Viability begins at this point.
Let's take a second example.
What makes us humanity? When does the bond begin? The moment the fertilized egg implants itself with the mother, they are forever joined. The body is nurtured until birth, and the soul is nurtured after birth. That's how humanity is passed down through the generations. Prior to implantation, the mother's own biology hasn't changed. It's at this point that she knows that there is another life inside of her.
-PJ
Besides the obvious, their problem could be being morbidly overweight
Being fat reduces the chance of having a successful conception and delivery.
I wonder if their ob-gyn has suggested this or is just pumping their bank accounts?
That’s my perception of when life begins in the womb.
Women often have a fertilized egg that , for whatever reason fails to successfully attach to the womb and begins to grow.
It flushes out of the woman without the woman not realizing what happened.
That was a joke indicating it is not in the Bible.
You’d be surprised how many Bible teachers will go scurrying to look up a verse in Hezekiah.
The hopeful parents have spent $30k and three years pursuing IVF.
I think I know what the problem is. The little spermies are committing mass suicide.
Plus, it would help if they slim down, put on wigs to look like females, and hang out in a bar when the fleet comes in.
and they’re not picky.
But I don't have any "viability debate." I am not part of any such debate (for the reasons I described in my previous posting - namely: that any point in time is invariably arbitrary).
I would likewise refuse to be any part of a debate with the premise, "Well, since Jews are evil and against God, should we simply exterminate them outright, or is it enough to work them to death in camps?"
I reject your underlying premises that it is possible to determine a valid "point in time."
A fertilized egg cannot live on its own. That's not an arbitrary point in time. That is biology. The zygote MUST implant itself with the uterus lining to survive. Viability begins at this point.
Au contraire! That is indeed a totally arbitrary point in time.
Can a newborn babe "survive on his own?"
Can a comatose patient "survive on his own?"
The parameter of "viability" is an arbitrary one, and there is no objective method of determining which of the myriad points in time during an individual's lifetime when he couldn't "survive on his own" should be assigned special importance above any other such point in time when he couldn't "survive on his own."
The totally arbitrary parameter "viability" that you are touting is no better than any other, such as "the point in time at which an individual becomes of service to the community - or, conversely, when his utility comes to an end, and it is therefore ethical - nay, obligatory! - to 'terminate' him as a 'useless eater.'"
I sense that you are a good, well-meaning person - but you are committing a grave fundamental mistake by believing that you have to permit your ideological adversaries to foist just any debate upon you, based on terms, conditions, and premisses that they have contrived in advance.
Your "viability" parameter is halfway workable only because you then sneakily introduced the bogus corollary concept of "attachment / implantation in the womb," as though that weren't also totally arbitrary. It certainly sounds nice and loving and Christian - that's why it's so hard for you to resist it - but when used as you have used it, it becomes merely an instrument of Death.
Regards,
They claim "of their own money."
Wer's glaubt, wird selig!"
(German version of, "If that's how you feel, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you!")
Regards,
They were probably "tag-teaming" it, at least at first. You know, squirting the contents of the turkey baster onto the gym mat and rolling around on it together, scissoring, etc.
(Yeah, I know that the article claims that they are utilizing in vitro techniques - but can we be sure, and did they not first try cheaper and more-conventional methods, like *ArtSem?)
Regards,
*Nod to George Orwell's "1984."
You must be a real riot at church synods!
Regards,
My neighbors, two women, are “married:” same last name. Both professionals, both attractive.
They have a little boy, now, almost a year old.
I don’t know if they used IVF. I assume they did.
They are very nice to talk to across the fence.
I am a Christian, Catholic. At first, I thought gay marriage was reprehensible. But I have changed my thinking. Who am I to judge others?
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I know several hetero-normal folks who are divorced or separated, with kids. One has two kids from a relationship which they were never married. The woman has custody; the father has visiting rights.
It’s all screwed up nowadays. I think the “normal” situation, with a married couple, one man, one woman, for life, is very, very rare.
I think that’s very bad, but “it is what it is.” For the kid’s sake, we have to accept and love them. We have to hope they grow up and become positive contributors to our society.
Yep... Hard for lesbians to get pregnant unless one is a transgender woman 🤣🤣🤣
It seems to me a fertilized egg has a factual status as a human being, not just moral.
Yep - just ask the doctor for an addadicktome and, Voila!
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