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Well she was a gay icon, time to dump her in the conservative memory hole, even when she had a beautiful voice, and time to cancel according to conservative radicals.

RIP Judy.

1 posted on 11/17/2023 12:48:16 PM PST by DallasBiff
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To: ansel12

Have at it.


2 posted on 11/17/2023 12:49:11 PM PST by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: DallasBiff
Because drag queens didn't want to do Ethel Merman?

-PJ

4 posted on 11/17/2023 12:53:23 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: DallasBiff

As far as I know, she never promoted perverted stuff in her shows, movies or records. Her talent was amazing, singing of course, but her acting (see her in “Meet Me in St. Louis”) and dancing (easily keeping up with Fred Astaire in “Easter Parade”, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izSCwP_4YGU ). A professional’s professional.

A tragic life, easily predicted by her upbringing.


7 posted on 11/17/2023 12:54:53 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: DallasBiff
Why is Judy Garland the ultimate gay icon?

I never knew she was.......All I knew is that she's dead.

11 posted on 11/17/2023 12:57:51 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: DallasBiff

“I’ve a Feeling We’re Not in Kansas Anymore”


14 posted on 11/17/2023 1:02:26 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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time to cancel according to conservative radicals

You are spouting utter nonsense.

15 posted on 11/17/2023 1:04:26 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: DallasBiff

Certain groups have a knack for taking anything innocent or whimsical, and recreating it in their twisted mindset.


18 posted on 11/17/2023 1:06:43 PM PST by dznutz
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To: DallasBiff

That headline is an illustration of a logical fallacy.
However, we can answer the question by referring to the article:
Because she killed herself.


20 posted on 11/17/2023 1:10:40 PM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: DallasBiff
One of my favorite Judy Garland roles was in Judgement at Nuremburg where she played a woman accused of kissing a Jew.

Even in the Wizard of Oz, you could tell she was destined to be fat. In this movie, she was.


22 posted on 11/17/2023 1:12:15 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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One of my first jobs many, many years ago, was at a retail store in San Francisco (Ghirardelli Square)...it was a small shop with about 15-20 total employees.

I was one of 2 people that were “straight”. Every other man/woman was gay (on steroids)...

I can tell you first hand...every gay male in that store idolized Judy...she was their Goddess.

Just a fact.


27 posted on 11/17/2023 1:16:23 PM PST by Herodes
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To: DallasBiff

What are you talking about?
No conservative has any problem with Judy Garland.
She had a tragic life and that is sad.


29 posted on 11/17/2023 1:32:51 PM PST by mowowie
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To: DallasBiff

As Dorothy, she was asexual and innocent, and befriended, sang with, danced with and had an adventure with 3 incomplete, outcast men.

And in real life, she was image-conscious, confused and broken

Its the gay-male persona and experience to a “T”


30 posted on 11/17/2023 1:38:41 PM PST by PGR88
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“Well she was a gay icon, time to dump her in the conservative memory hole...”

She divorced her husband, the father of Lisa, when she found out he was gay.


31 posted on 11/17/2023 1:47:17 PM PST by odawg
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To: DallasBiff

Is it any mystery why so many gay men would feel an affinity with a campy, boozy, substance-abuser known for belting out show tunes?


32 posted on 11/17/2023 1:47:54 PM PST by irishjuggler
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I’m not sure it’s fair either to Judy Garland or to gay people in general to call Judy a gay icon. Has she been fetishized by some fragment of the gay community? The story would have us believe that she has. Is this fragment representative of the gay community? I’m a bit skeptical of that.

In other words, a story like this possibly says more about the author than it does about Judy Garland or the gay community.

Pushing this idea becomes a matter of feeding ugly stereotypes. Judy was wonderfully talented. Her childhood was abusive. She battled alcohol and drugs her entire adult life and compounded it with sexual recklessness. So: this is a story of a FABULOUS(!) facade masking chronic substance abuse, depression, promiscuity, and self-destruction at an early age.

If I, as a straight, white, conservative male, offered this up as an iconic portrait of gay culture, I could be (and probably would be) accused of trafficking in scurrilous negative stereotyping of homosexual behavior.

So why do gay or gay-sympathetic writers do this? There are innumerable gay people — including even homosexuals in Hollywood — who do not behave this way. Limiting it to actors, does anyone here have a problem with Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle? I don’t think so. Current day actors? Does anyone here have a problem with Jodie Foster? I don’t think so. There are many more where these came from. Take your pick.

If there is a gay subculture that festishizes Judy Garland, it consists of the worst element in the gay community seeking to glamorize their dysfunctions: the Pied Pipers of self-destruction. We should hold people, including gay people and movie stars, to higher standards.

Judy Garland was wonderfully talented, and she ended up in the Dead Celebrity Junkies Hall of Fame. If there is an extenuating factor in her story, it would be her abusive childhood.


33 posted on 11/17/2023 1:59:07 PM PST by sphinx
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It's because gay men (and trannies) have a dream that cannot be realized. They yearn for the Emerald City, the land of Oz that is frustratingly "over the rainbow," seemingly so close, yet out of reach. And though they want that dream, they also want to be accepted by normal society in "Kansas."

Judy Garland's performance captures the sentimental yearning for the impossible which many gay men feel. Her tragic death at an early age, never having found happiness or true love, is also something that gay men identify with. They believe they know who Garland felts. She is a kindred spirit.

35 posted on 11/17/2023 2:07:20 PM PST by Angelino97
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Gay men want to be tragic divas?


36 posted on 11/17/2023 2:12:21 PM PST by dynachrome (War does not determine who is right, but who is left.)
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She was an icon two generations ago — to the point where it became a cliche.

I’d be surprised if today’s homosexuals had much interest in her.


46 posted on 11/17/2023 2:50:37 PM PST by x (Formerly Twitter)
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Who says that she was a gay icon, and why? Because she sang “somewhere over the rainbow”?


47 posted on 11/17/2023 2:56:19 PM PST by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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And the historical revisionism continues unabated...


50 posted on 11/17/2023 3:23:41 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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