Posted on 11/16/2023 4:48:50 AM PST by MtnClimber
I haven't blamed the Jews for anything. I am really ambivalent about the whole charade over there. I'm an American, and my concerns extend very little outside the borders of this country. THE END.
At no time have I ever said anything of this sort.
All of Western society has been based on Judeo-Christian ethics for the last several hundred years.
It's also based on an Arabic numbering system and Persian mathematics. That doesn't obligate us to take sides in a conflict involving Iran or Saudi Arabia.
If you reject the Jewish part you're in fact rejecting one of the very foundations of Western society.
IF.
And what the King of Poland might or might not have done several hundred years ago is completely irrelevant to the situation today.
I'm not the one who brought up the King of Poland or referenced the time period when he was making his name in history. I was citing something that was posted by someone else.
All of Western society is under attack by a bunch of 7th century savages, Jews and Christians are in the same boat.
If you say so. My biggest concern is the savage attacks on "Western society" that are being carried out right here in the United States of America by the leaders of our own political, civic and business institutions -- which happen to include more Jews than Muslims, by the way.
So you can sit there and sniff "they don't believe in Jesus so screw them" all you want.
See my prior statement on this. I have no idea WTF you are talking about.
But once they're done with the Jews they will be coming for us. And when that happens you'll damned sure wish you had a few Jews helping you out.
If it's OK with you, I'm not going to rely on anyone living in the Middle East to defend me.
You mean the Jews who, in general, have been advocates of mass immigration to the United States? (Around three quarters of American Jews disapproved of Trump's immigration policies, which were honestly *mild*.) Which is now biting them *and us* in the keister in light of the third-world denizens who are clamoring in our cities on behalf of Hamas?
I mean, it's not like ministers from Israel's own government are telling Western countries to take Palestinian refugees, which takes a special kind of chutzpah when they're the ones currently pushing Palestinians out of Gaza. (The chutzpah is especially egregious when their air/sea/land blockade of Gaza is one of the reasons for its wretched economic state.)
All of Western society is under attack by a bunch of 7th century savages, Jews and Christians are in the same boat.
There are numerous 'Jews' and 'Christians' who think Western society is the problem! We can't even agree what boat to get on!
We have no business focusing our civilizational energy on fighting Muslims in foreign countries when our own culture is so divided.
The modern nation-state of Israel is a creation of the United Nations. What does God have to do with it?
Maybe we could send a bunch of Venezuelans and Guatemalans over to Israel as "refugees."
EZikel 34:15. It’s all over the Old Testement. Israel is a fulfillment of Prophecy.
Since a bird cannot fall to the ground without God Almighty’s permission... He probably more to do with it than folks with your mindset would find comfortable.
How about we go from verse 10 to verse 16 to get more context?
Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I myself come upon the shepherds, I will require my flock at their hand, and I will cause them to cease from feeding the flock any more, neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more: and I will deliver my flock from their mouth, and it shall no more be meat for them. For thus saith the Lord God: Behold I myself will seek my sheep, and will visit them. As the shepherd visiteth his flock in the day when he shall be in the midst of his sheep that were scattered, so will I visit my sheep, and will deliver them out of all the places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and will gather them out of the countries, and will bring them to their own land: and I will feed them in the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the habitations of the land. I will feed them in the most fruitful pastures, and their pastures shall be in the high mountains of Israel: there shall they rest on the green grass, and be fed in fat pastures upon the mountains of Israel. I will feed my sheep: and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God. I will seek that which was lost: and that which was driven away, I will bring again: and I will bind up that which was broken, and I will strengthen that which was weak, and that which was fat and strong I will preserve: and I will feed them in judgment.
These passages show GOD taking the lead and re-establishing Israel by His own power and authority...and that it would be the gathering place of *all* of His people.
At this point in time, not even *half* of the world's Jews live in the state of Israel.
Do you happen to know of a particular prophet or judge or authorized messenger of the LORD who proclaimed that the modern state of Israel's existence was a divine act of God? Because I'm skeptical of the idea the modern nation-state of Israel should be seen as the legitimate continuation of the Davidic kingdom of Israel, merely because they share the same name.
MIA_eccl1212: He probably more to do with it than folks with your mindset would find comfortable.
When it came to the establishment of Israel in biblical times, and the establishment of the Church of Christ, these were accompanied by miracles, and signs, and wonders: all for the sake of establishing that they had God's favor.
The current state of Israel exists because the British promised to give the land of Palestine to Zionists, thereby reneging on *prior promises* the British had made to the Arabs to get them to revolt against the Ottomans, who had previously controlled the territory for centuries prior to World War I.
These scenarios are not even remotely the same.
The full fullment is coming. The Spirtual Resoration of Israel is MORE important than natural t
rebirth of the Physical return of the State of Isreal. The later happened first. As a Messianic Jew, I’m angry about the way Messianic Jews are treated in Isreal, but I still support it. It is a natural Fullment of what is going on spiritual. And yes, judgment will come on the State of Israel for unbelief. The best thing is that Jews are returning home to YESHUA everyday, PTL!
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