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Retreat Was Not an Option Then and Is Not Now
American Thinker ^ | 16 Nov, 2023 | Al Bienenfeld

Posted on 11/16/2023 4:48:50 AM PST by MtnClimber

Thanks to Democrats, we in America helped fund Hamas’s terrorism. However, the terror we helped fund will destroy the West if we don’t let Israel fight and win.

A 25-minute Tucker Carlson interview with Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy about the current conflict in Israel is very disturbing. Carlson raised the issue of national interests in the outcome and America’s decision to intervene beyond offering token sympathies to Israel despite the barbarity of the October 7 attacks. Ramaswamy appeared to concur, although he came across more sincere in his expression of sympathy than Carlson, who seemed to be saying what he thought was necessary given the circumstances.

Carlson and Ramaswamy agreed that moral depravity does not justify U.S. intervention. It is not an unreasonable proposition. Before the Biden administration, I joined many others in believing that America could beat anyone but not everyone. It’s common sense that America does not have infinite resources to cure the world’s ills. Thus, we must choose carefully where we invest our efforts and spend our money.

We fought ISIS (The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) because we perceived that their medieval barbarism, inspired by fanatical religious ideology, threatened Western civilization as well as the stability of the Middle East. Our slogan was, “If we do not fight them over there, then we will have to fight them here.” Slogan aside, our leaders got it right in that instance.

That same slogan applies to what’s happening in Israel right now. But an even stronger reason to stand with Israel is best expressed in an old retailing axiom: “You break it, you bought it.”

The Barack Obama and Joe Biden administrations, which some call the “Obiden Administrations,” are directly responsible for the current Nazi-like atrocities being committed against Israel. These two leftist administrations financed this...

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1 posted on 11/16/2023 4:48:50 AM PST by MtnClimber
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“We are at a “Gates of Vienna” moment. Then, in 1683, the Christian world, with its back to the wall, repelled the brutal Ottoman Turks’ Islamic invasion. Western Civilization was saved when brave soldiers led by the Christian King of Poland, Jan Sobieski, drove back a far superior number, causing them to quit the battlefield and return home.”


2 posted on 11/16/2023 4:49:17 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Nowdays, their effeminate ancestors are inviting the savages into their countries with open arms to destroy their heritage.


3 posted on 11/16/2023 5:00:26 AM PST by imabadboy99
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To: MtnClimber
Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself without any help from the U.S. Tucker and Vivek are right.

I wonder what the Christian King of Poland would have thought about defending a nation that was established as a homeland for people whose existence is defined by their rejection of Jesus Christ.

4 posted on 11/16/2023 5:10:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: MtnClimber

It doesn’t help that Hama’s source of funds, Iran, has just been given an additional 10 billion dollars - Thanks Joe Biden.


5 posted on 11/16/2023 5:14:41 AM PST by ProudDeplorable (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. ~ Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alberta's Child
He would've thought what other medieval Christians thought at the time- no, they would not.

However, unlike medieval kings (who were mostly illiterate) we have the Holy Bible that's easy to get you hands on because of the Gutenberg press. God promised Jacob that He would bless those who blessed his descendants and CURSE those who cursed His descendants. God's promise was never revoked.

Back to the issue- what America does NOT need to do is tell Israel to cease fire. They should destroy Hamas, much in the same way Sherman destroyed the South, Zhukov and Eisenhower destroyed the Wehrmacht, and MacArthur and LeMay destroyed Japan. They not only defeated their enemy, but broke their will to ever become aggressors in the near future. Israel needs to send a message to the Jordanians on the West Bank and Egyptians in Gaza (so-called "Palestinians") that resistance against God's Chosen People will end badly not only for the people but their leaders as well. Not only taking their leadership out, but cut off their funding, not only to Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Fatah, etc., but find out who's funding the pro-Palestinian riots overseas and seize their money. The hundreds of billions of dollars used to fund the BLM-Antifa, errrr, "Palestinian Liberation" rioters would suddenly dry up.

6 posted on 11/16/2023 5:30:32 AM PST by MuttTheHoople ( "Never thot I'd live to see the day when the right wing would become the cool ones"-Johnny Rotten)
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To: Alberta's Child

Biden to the rescue.

https://archive.li/2023.11.14-222746/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-14/pentagon-is-quietly-sending-israel-ammunition-laser-guided-missiles


7 posted on 11/16/2023 6:04:13 AM PST by Bogie
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To: MtnClimber

“Thanks to Democrats, we in America helped fund Hamas’s terrorism” and Iran’s and Lebanon’s and Afghanistan’s and etc etc etc


8 posted on 11/16/2023 6:08:05 AM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: Alberta's Child

“I wonder what the Christian King of Poland would have thought about defending a nation that was established as a homeland for people whose existence is defined by their rejection of Jesus Christ.”

People like you will be the death of The West.

L


9 posted on 11/16/2023 6:11:07 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: MtnClimber

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10 posted on 11/16/2023 6:15:10 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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your definition of Jews and their supposed reason for existence is substantially different than God’s...


11 posted on 11/16/2023 6:31:09 AM PST by MIA_eccl1212 (utilize leverage at every opportunity.)
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People like you will be the death of The West.

LOL. "The West" has been collapsing without any help from me. I'm not sure most people today can even define what the heck "The West" is anymore.

12 posted on 11/16/2023 6:40:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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I'm only defining it based on the establishment of the modern state of Israel. In fact, I'm willing to define "Jews" as anything you'd wish to read into the 2018 Basic Law declaration of Israel as the "national home of the Jewish people."

I don't think a Christian king in the 17th Century would have walked across the street to defend such a state.

13 posted on 11/16/2023 6:47:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: MtnClimber

Tucker and Vivek are simply WRONG on their Israel position.


14 posted on 11/16/2023 7:05:10 AM PST by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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if Jan thought it would protect and promote Christendom, by the will of God, he would have done whatever it took...

there would be no Christendom without the Jews.
the generation of jews that crucified the living Christ, did so at the will, ordinance and mandate of God almighty and it was fore ordained as a “MUST HAVE” incident by the creator himself, before the foundation of the world. The romans carried out the order by ungodly Gentiles of Roman ideology. Indeed without Christ’s expressed will and permission in advance NO crucifixion could have ever taken place. Salvation is of the Jews. Ordained by God through the command of God... had the princes and rulers of this world known they would have NEVER crucified the Lord of Glory. At the end, their blindness to the messiah made it possible for God to save the West through the Word of God, crucified for us, and the promotion of the Gospel via the church, which was at the time, comprised mostly of wait for it... the JEWS.

I think you are wrong. Just my opinion. But without Jews, the law of Moses, the grace of God, expressed through the Christ *the jewish messiah... we would have no Savior, Salvation or Faith...

God Forbid.


15 posted on 11/16/2023 7:14:20 AM PST by MIA_eccl1212 (utilize leverage at every opportunity.)
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“The West” has been collapsing without any help from me.”

You sure about that? Looks to me like you’re cheering it on.

L


16 posted on 11/16/2023 7:54:56 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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... there would be no Christendom without the Jews.

Right. But by the 17th century Judaism was pretty much non-existent. For all intents and purposes in the Western world, it was an anachronism that would have existed outside its proper time and place in salvation history.

And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man. Look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and upon our children. Then he released to them Barabbas: and having scourged Jesus, delivered him unto them to be crucified. (Matthew 27:24-26)

17 posted on 11/16/2023 8:06:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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Looks to me like you’re cheering it on.

Please cite any evidence you have to support this statement.

18 posted on 11/16/2023 8:07:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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... there would be no Christendom without the Jews. "Right." and thus endeth the argument as far as I care. jews could NOT crucify without roman permission. The decree on the cross was written for the benefit of all readers. NOT just Hebrew. The soldier enforcers were Western Civilizaton's best enforcers...

STOP blaming the Jews who did only what God fore ordained them to do... MY sins put the Savior of all creation, on that cross. That is not theoretical it is historical, biblical fact.

If Jan had been taught that in the doctrines of his faith... he would have defended Jews at the proper time. At that time, the Church did NOT allow most Christians to see the actual Scriptures in toto... as the Church was then THE Geo political force in the world. But this is OUR time. Our Nation need not fight FOR the Israeli's. We need to keep our national imperative on LETTING and KEEPING them off the chain.

19 posted on 11/16/2023 8:24:34 AM PST by MIA_eccl1212 (utilize leverage at every opportunity.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Okay fine, I will.

It seems to me that in a very backhanded, passive aggressive sort of way you think that Christendom shouldn’t help defend Israel because they’re Jewish and don’t believe in the Divinity of Christ. All of Western society has been based on Judeo-Christian ethics for the last several hundred years.

If you reject the Jewish part you’re in fact rejecting one of the very foundations of Western society.

You can’t have it both ways. And what the King of Poland might or might not have done several hundred years ago is completely irrelevant to the situation today. All of Western society is under attack by a bunch of 7th century savages, Jews and Christians are in the same boat.

So you can sit there and sniff “they don’t believe in Jesus so screw them” all you want. But once they’re done with the Jews they will be coming for us. And when that happens you’ll damned sure wish you had a few Jews helping you out.

L


20 posted on 11/16/2023 8:24:41 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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