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To: JonPreston
JonPreston on Pearl Harbor: "In the case of Japan, many say we provoked their attack"

Of course Pearl Harbor was "provoked" in the eyes of the Japanese.
They well knew they couldn't conquer the Pacific until the US & British Navies were defeated, and when FDR moved the US Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor in mid-1940, it became too tempting a target to be ignored.
Japanese planning to attack the US fleet at Pearl Harbor began soon after.
At the same time, they planned attacks on the US fleet in the Philippines, the British forces & fleets at Hong Kong and Singapore and the Dutch East Indies, which Japanese called, "the Southern Resource Area".

All of these attacks were "provoked" by Japanese perceptions of relative weakness of American and European forces in the Pacific region, and the Japanese perhaps justifiable belief in the superiority of their own arms and men.
After all, the "effete" Brits were consumed with fighting Nazis in Europe while "playboy" Americans had firmly stuck our collective heads in the sand, pretending "it's not our war".

In 1941, from the Japanese perspective, we were ripe for defeat.

JonPreston "Regarding the rest of your comment, opinion isn't enough."

But it's a start.
Feel free to challenge my opinions and I'll show you the facts and reasons on which they are based.

JonPreston "Now once again, please tell the forum what was the last successful American military intervention in the last 40 years."

Here's that link again.

Of 107 "endless wars" since 1775, 11 were defeats, including 3 in the past 40 years -- Reagan's Lebanon intervention (embassy bombing), Clinton's Somalia misadventure (Blackhawk Down) and Biden's Afghanistan disastrous evacuation.
The rest were victories or negotiated settlements.

173 posted on 11/13/2023 2:35:33 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Feel free to challenge my opinions

How exactly does one challenge the effluence of a neoconservative like you? Your world view has brought America to fiscal insolvency while ensuring that the civilized world is aligned against US. I'll challenge you with mockery and ridicule because that's what warmongers like you deserve.

177 posted on 11/13/2023 4:09:29 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: BroJoeK
Of course Pearl Harbor was "provoked" in the eyes of the Japanese.

Robert Stinnett disagrees. See his book above. His father was Admiral Stinnett, the ranking officer at Pearl Harbor. See his book above.

178 posted on 11/13/2023 4:14:44 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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