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Wow this is a great point he makes.

I'm generally sympathetic to what he's saying here.

I know not everyone likes him but he's the only person I know saying this and it makes a lot of sense to me...

Come on Freepers I know this will spark a debate. What do you think?

1 posted on 10/30/2023 10:59:52 PM PDT by RandFan
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I know Israel must destroy Hamas. I think Hamas set a trap and provided unprecedented horror in order to have Israel fight Hamas at a time Hamas has brokered support - so this would be a fight on Hama’s terms.

Hamas will kill Israelis in an unending stream if not destroyed; I think Hamas built a ‘team’ and wants ISrael to fight.

Israel’s plan must be different than expected. Right now the fight is designed by Hamas to serve Hamas’ purposes. SOMEHOW Israel has to avoid the ‘team’ trap Hamas and friends have set, and at a time/place/manner unanticipated, must destroy Hamas.
I think Macgregor could have said it better (e.g., lose the’ save Israel from itself’ as it’s wrong) but I think he wants Israel to fight on Israel’s terms. It would do zero good if Macgregor floated ideas about how Israel is to do this - the element of surprise is needed. Maybe Israel IS privately enacting her own plan, and making the world think she is approaching Hamas on Hamas’ terms. Won’t know until it unfolds.

So I think Macgregor is in the ‘yes, kill Hamas, but not on their terms’ camp. We shall see.


60 posted on 10/31/2023 12:08:12 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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So, the U.S. should be responsible for the middle east?


64 posted on 10/31/2023 12:13:32 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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He is basically telling the Israelis to run up the white flag. Why you are enamoured with this flake is anybodys guess.


68 posted on 10/31/2023 12:27:08 AM PDT by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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The Israelis know what they need to do to survive a lot better than the corrupt politicians in Washington.

We should stop tying their hands and funding their enemies.


75 posted on 10/31/2023 12:36:36 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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Israel has leverage over the US and the world in the form of its conventional and nuclear strike capabilities against Iran and other potential targets.

Tell Israel no as to eliminating Hamas, and the response from Netanyahu may be, "We cannot permit the wanton and unjustified murder of Israeli citizens by Hamas to go less than fully punished or for Hamas to persist as a threat. Regretfully, if US and other international support is inadequate or is withdrawn, Israel will be forced to give full consideration to the use of all the means at its disposal for dealing with Hamas and is principal supporter, Iran."

Israel has a wide range of options for wrecking Iran and I have no doubt that Israeli military planners are reviewing and updating their target plans. Even with US support against Hamas, at some point, Israel's pain and sense of existential menace may lead to a decision to attack Iran -- perhaps even with nuclear weapons. After that, all of Gaza could be reduced to smoking rubble and bodies and few would care.

79 posted on 10/31/2023 12:44:10 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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We see the usual suspects crapping over the Colonel.


81 posted on 10/31/2023 12:44:55 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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Just for historical purposes, in WWII the US and allied forces carpet bombed Dresden and other cities in Germany. They used incendiary bombs on civilians. Some estimates are that up to 250,000 people died from the bombing. Mostly women, children, and the elderly were literally burned alive in what today, and even then among some, would be considered a war crime.

Another 250,000 mostly civilians died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Not commenting on all that history, just putting into context that other civilizations have done what they believed was needed in a life and death struggle for survival. And yet most of the world continues to tell Israel to show restraint in the face of enduring ongoing civilian bombings, mass casualties, and stated goals to annihilate them from the face of the earth.


92 posted on 10/31/2023 2:07:28 AM PDT by Obadiah
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Muslims stop all their ruthless aggression if they get their noses bloodied enough. They were truly afraid of Trump, but only despise the Biden regime, whom they regard as toothless and begging for surrender to the Muslim threat.

Secretary Blinken only murmurs “Please stoppppppppppppp!”, while Trump quietly reminded the rascals he would “rain Hell upon them”.


94 posted on 10/31/2023 2:21:33 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people slog through life without ever knowing the wonders of true insanity.)
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What a Buffon !


95 posted on 10/31/2023 2:35:40 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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I think you and McGregor deserve each other.


96 posted on 10/31/2023 2:43:47 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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Why is this fool even someone to pay attention to? Carlson liking him isn’t enough for me.


97 posted on 10/31/2023 2:45:08 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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“Come on Freepers I know this will spark a debate. What do you think?”

“A scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, both would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog then agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature.”

Aesop (paraphrased)


99 posted on 10/31/2023 2:53:23 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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We need to protect readers of FR from the garbage spewing by Macgregor, whoever the hell he is.


100 posted on 10/31/2023 3:12:50 AM PDT by exinnj
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He’s an idiot.


102 posted on 10/31/2023 3:21:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Jim: He’s a wackjob.

Yes, I know. Forgot to wear his oxygen suit when he went for a stroll outside the space ship.


104 posted on 10/31/2023 3:24:38 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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McGregor is barking up the wrong tree. He fails to recognize that Elohim are at work..

And the host of Israel is now manifest,, and cannot and will not rereat.Does McGregor think we can put God back in some kind of bag?

No way this even CAN be reversed:



105 posted on 10/31/2023 3:37:54 AM PDT by Candor7 (( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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Come on Freepers I know this will spark a debate. What do you think?

I think antisemites should be expunged from FR.
106 posted on 10/31/2023 3:40:06 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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Tell MacGregor to take a long walk off a short pier.


108 posted on 10/31/2023 3:53:00 AM PDT by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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I think he’s a dickhead on this. The attack would be like 50,000 dead in America and 3,000 raped and taken hostage. There’s no way a self respecting nation can do anything but totally eradicate such an enemy.
Gaza is slightly larger than Saipan. Israel doesn’t have anything comparable to WWII Marines, but we got that with 70,000 and took around 3500 dead. And 13000 wounded. Took roughly a month.

They need to start and assault that place until it’s completely defeated. Any other national getting involved should face brutal consequences. Then there needs to be a sword of Gideon operation as in after Munich, all around the world killing the financiers and thought leaders and big time apologists whether they be in London, Europe or even in more surprising places.

Mcgregor is flat wrong in this one. He has had some good analysis, but he needs to check himself.
This atrocity went FAR beyond anything that can be considered repaid with a week or two of airstrikes.


110 posted on 10/31/2023 3:57:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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I say he builds a house right on the border of Gaza, and then he can get raped in his butt before they burn him alive.


111 posted on 10/31/2023 4:16:58 AM PDT by 2Dreamin
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