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To: Monterrosa-24

Yeah I do. A nation of grifters and thugs my tax dollars have been sent to.

I’m sick and tired of seeing idiots who know NOTHING about the history of these two thug nations go on about how they ‘’stand’’ with Ukraine.

Are you Jewish? If not did your ancestors help the Nazis kill them?


85 posted on 10/17/2023 10:33:43 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: jmacusa

Kiev has corruption but not as much as Washington, DC. I guess you think America is a nation of grifters and thugs too.

We’re not Jewish. One of my wife’s grandfathers fought the Nazis all the way from the Don to Berlin. The other one was taken prisoner when Sevastopol fell to Manstein’s forces.

Earlier, her great aunt’s family was sent to Solovki near the Arctic Circle during Stalin’s waves of terror.

You do not know as much about Ukraine as you think you do. You should read, THE GATES OF EUROPE by Serhii Plokhy.


86 posted on 10/17/2023 10:51:26 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: jmacusa

You are way out of line. Stop it.


90 posted on 10/17/2023 11:55:56 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: jmacusa

You need to calm the fuc down

Stop harassing based on opposite views

I hope and pray Putin gets his sht handed to him

He is the major cause of Middle East war and war In Ukraine

So maybe you are blind to russias aggression


92 posted on 10/17/2023 12:08:06 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush
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To: jmacusa; Monterrosa-24

I would rather the Russian fail then Ukraine I would rather Russia and its proxy Iran fail then Ukraine it’s obvious to whoever sees these wars unfold


93 posted on 10/17/2023 12:11:00 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush
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To: jmacusa

Sorry, but your history is incorrect.

Both Muscowy and Ukraine/Ruthenia derive from medieval Kyivan Rus.

Both disappeared into communism (as an aside, the Soviet Republic of Ukraine had a separate seat in the UN from the USSR so was de jure “independent” - if not de facto).

After 1991 the Republic of Ukraine became de-facto and de-jure independent in May 1991. The Russian Federation became de-facto and de-jure independent in October 1991.

So, the current Republic of Ukraine is actually a few months OLDER than the Russian Federation.

One can’t say “they are the same” culturally or linguistically - they are “similar” but not the same - in the same way that the USA and Canada have the same “origins” and are similar but not the same.

Ukraine and the RF started off as very corrupt in the 90s, but since 2000 they have diverged in “corruption index” with Ukraine getting less corrupt and the RF getting more corrupt.

However, looking at purely “what’s in it for the USA” - Putin’s invasion opens up the door to 19th century gunboat diplomacy and wars of conquest - as we saw in the Azerbaijani confidence with Nagorno. This is hazardous to world peace and thereby to the USA’s financial well being.

The USA should not send foot soldiers into Ukraine, but it should not allow Russia to get away with the conquest by force - to prevent THAT pandora’s box from opening.


122 posted on 10/18/2023 5:47:15 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: jmacusa

So, when the U.S. as ruled by the Clintons (true Grifters), did you call the U.S. a “nation of grifters and thugs”, or did you acknowledge that what some are and what some do was not representative of the nation? Ukraine deserves as much, and the war against Ukraine by Putin has absolutley zero to do with the “Ukraine” things you complain about.

South Korea was led very imperfectly by its first post-WWII leader, but in spite of the many imperfections of that leader - none of which were cause for North Korea’s invasion - the people of South Korea deserved our support, which we gave. Saving South Korea for the South Korean’s at that time, led to the domestic developments that blossomed into the booming democracy they are today, instead of the whole penninsula being ruled by the dictators in the North.


130 posted on 10/18/2023 9:44:44 AM PDT by Wuli
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