[BroJoeK]

cowboyusa: "This is a ww 1 style war of useless Deat. Trump: “ Icwant to stop the killing and dying."

Naw, it's Ukraine's War of Independence.
Our War of Independence lasted at least six years (1775 to 1781) and cost the lives of around 70,000 Americans of a population only about 3 million.
In today's equivalent terms, that would be over 7 million Americans killed to win our independence.

Wars are always hell on earth, sufferings of unimaginable horror.
And yet, who today would say the USA should have remained a British colony?

Another key comparison is that we didn't fight alone -- we received major naval and army support from France, Spain, Holland and others.
France especially had "boots on the ground" here and suffered thousands of casualties as a result.

Trivialize it all you wish, but the Russian Evil Empire has overstepped the boundaries of acceptable behavior and now must be defeated to be stopped.

[ought-six]

“Our War of Independence lasted at least six years (1775 to 1781) and cost the lives of around 70,000 Americans of a population only about 3 million. In today’s equivalent terms, that would be over 7 million Americans killed to win our independence.”

Where did you get that data? Most studies I’ve seen have the total colonial deaths at between 25,000 and 26,000, of which only about 8500 - 9500 were killed in battle; the rest died in camp (ca. 10,000, primarily from disease) or in captivity (ca. 8500, from deprivation and disease). Of course, these are estimates, given the scarcity of detailed records. Those studies also suggested that the civilian death numbers would probably have been in line with the civilian death numbers without the war.

“Another key comparison is that we didn’t fight alone — we received major naval and army support from France, Spain, Holland and others. France especially had ‘boots on the ground’ here and suffered thousands of casualties as a result.”

Absolutely correct. It’s disappointing that so many Americans think the colonials fought the British by themselves; we owe a great debt of gratitude to France for its assistance and support (of course, the “French connection” had less to do with any benevolence toward the colonials, and more to France’s desire to damage Britain).

[delta7]

Trivialize it all you wish, but the Russian Evil Empire has overstepped the boundaries of acceptable behavior and now must be defeated to be stopped.

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By who? Senile Joe?…Not by a corrupted West, the Ukies are spent, welfare never lasts forever….Vlad holds all the cards and there is nothing the collective can do about it….except fight to the last Ukrainian- then what?